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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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this is part two

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of our observance of the tenth

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anniversary of the power cast we're

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having one of our famous listener round

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tables

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and those of you who have complained

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about the lack of female participation

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in our forums in the show

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we do have a great participant in our

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welcome sue to the paracast thank you

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for joining us

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thanks for having me our other guests

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this week our listener roundtable

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includes stoneheart

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whom we call david very regular

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participant and he's calling from his

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palatial estate in new zealand is that

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uh not quite gene but i'm glad to be

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here thanks for inviting me along it's

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going to be an awesome few hours

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flavor of this episode we have randall

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known as ufology from canada hi there

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everybody

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this is your first

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skype connection with us isn't it

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it is and uh i'm hearing that it's

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better than my landline

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it is for the most part now sometimes if

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you have a really really bad internet

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connection

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it can be awful because there's

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you know somewhat of an amount of

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bandwidth that you use

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so that is could be the problem if you

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have a really bad mic

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that could be a problem but everybody

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sounds great that's good

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because of the international flavor

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of this episode canada new zealand plus

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you know one guest from america i'm

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a question which is somewhat political

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but since we get into politics when we

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deal with the paranormal and what

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governments might know it might be

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david i know you're going to have to

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as you've warned me already what is the

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reaction of people in new zealand of

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to trump mania in america what do you

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i really think you're a bunch of idiots

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and frankly um trump needs to be given a

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nice helicopter ride very high and

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pushed out of it

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so i'm holding my tongue very much here

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because um there's a lot of very nasty

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temptation to go where we shouldn't go

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it's a huge nasty word but i'll tell you

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what folks

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of you want to participate there too

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there is no restriction on language

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whatever superb

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randall what do the people in canada

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think about your southern neighbor with

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trump mania

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with trump

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the guy is pretty much insane i mean

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this is the guy that's going to be

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carrying around the football you know

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the suitcase with the nuclear launch

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codes in it now i don't know how anybody

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in their right mind would want this guy

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to be

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in control of the button that causes the

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next nuclear war because all you have to

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next thing you know you're fired and

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boom there goes the world

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in his case when he says you're fired

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there will be fire

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okay sue as the

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something in the news about how google's

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search uh for how to move to canada is

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trending now

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and i think that's about all i feel safe

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saying on the topic as an american

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is that as some of you know

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views to mine somehow it works we've

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pregnant pause

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i rag on her for it but okay she's

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entitled to her opinions she says to me

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if this guy gets elected

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it's it's a it's a pretty nice place to

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live

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traveling expenses i might consider it

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yeah the earthquakes here they do come

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well that's the reason why my wife

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doesn't want to move to california she's

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afraid of the earthquakes

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they get pretty bad

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sequence started in 2010 and we're still

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but it doesn't sound like much of a

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quake but the problem is they're very

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shallow so yeah and they're pretty much

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directly underneath the city

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so yeah christchurch got wiped out what

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three years ago right

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yeah yeah five yeah but you're right

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yeah 22nd of february 2010 a really big

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right underneath the city and extremely

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ask folks is since you're new to the

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several times i'm going to ask each of

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you how you got drawn into what we might

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call the paranormal

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subject or a mess however you choose to

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do it david

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how did it happen for you

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actually probably like a lot of

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people and maybe maybe not

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little area called y carry um in the

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weka pass and just leading up to the

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week of past area there is a

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driving mother's asleep and and the

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to me and sit there watching a star just

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find out about things called ufos and

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it's like that was very odd stars aren't

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really supposed to move now are they

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interested so it's probably my first

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experience and what got me interested in

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the paranormal and i've been interested

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so that covers that

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sue how about you

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boy i'm sorry about that that sounds

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like a silly rhyme

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that's okay

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i was always interested in the occult

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and the paranormal since i was a kid i

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like reading ghost stories and stories

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about the occult

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and i kind of got into it more as a

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spiritual type thing nowadays it's

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called the paranormal it's kind of like

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and research and all that

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but for me it was more about um

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just studying things like the kabla

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there was actually a college course i

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avenue and then when the paranormal

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podcast world started flourishing

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ufos which i've never had any personal

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experience with now when it comes to

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ufos do you have any particular theory

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that you favor or

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are you still going with the flow

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i have no idea right now i'm thinking a

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lot about co-creation but i can't say

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that i even know what that entails um

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i guess i'd say i'm kind of not enamored

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of the eth but

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especially from not having personal

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i don't know what to think at this point

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this is our first listener roundtable

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for 2016 as we continue observing

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the 10th anniversary of the power cast

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they said it couldn't be done

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our listeners are sue

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stoneheart

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and of course ufology joining gene and

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chris

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so that's where we are now

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randall you have always impressed me as

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somewhat of a

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eth believer is that still true

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i do think it's the most likely

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explanation but

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like everyone else i'm not really

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certain that that's the explanation it

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just seems like the most logical one to

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me

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explain why it's the most logical

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because we've looked around pretty much

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every place on earth that we can and we

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haven't been able to find the

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infrastructure required to build

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the kind of ships that have been

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reported and we haven't had the

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technology available to us for long

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enough to be able to build them

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ourselves here either so

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whether they're some secret society

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or built by some unknown civilization

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it just seems really unlikely that

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they're coming from earth in addition to

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that there's a number of

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people authors

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howard bloom for example one of them who

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talks about an insider within the

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government who works with the

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satellite tracking systems who's

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apparently according to his insider

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information

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has

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seen these things coming into our

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atmosphere from outer space as well and

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it just seems to make the most sense

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in either case whether you believe that

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story or not

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david what about you

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i'm very much uh like randall i'm an

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engineer so i've got a very logical mind

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on it i'm very nuts and bolts uh and of

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course there are about hypothesis where

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we've all sort of um listened to the

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paracast and seen over shows a good

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alternative ideas um of

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where these things come from however i

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always seem to come back to nuts and

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bolts it just seems to make sense to me

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and maybe that's just my logical mind

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wanting to try to make some scientific

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sense of what we're actually seeing

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will we ever know i don't know but i

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still

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strongly believe that it is nuts and

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bolts and even from a couple of my own

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experiences i think we're dealing with

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something that is actually a physical

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reality as opposed to something a little

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bit more ethereal

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how about detailing those experiences

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and i did post on that it was a private

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one for a few of you guys on the um

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paracast a few years back now um outside

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with um meredith we're sitting there

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just having a cup of tea it um late at

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night in the summertime and um

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lo and behold we see a light move down

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through the sky and then start moving

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across very very slow speed just one

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single color was sort of a luminous sort

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of orangey white

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although the video doesn't show that up

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because i did have presence of mind to

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run in the door quickly and grab the the

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smartphone and try and start filming it

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absolutely dead silent going across ways

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the winds about 90 degrees to the um the

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wind flow

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and went straight over the top of the

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house completely silent it didn't pulse

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it was just

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one color absolutely silent um below the

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cloud deck and it sort of started making

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me think

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this has come from high up it's come

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because obviously come down from up in

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the atmosphere and it's it's traveling

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along slowly

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i i just couldn't see that as being

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man-made it didn't move like a man-made

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object it would make absolutely no noise

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so

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i i'm thinking nuts and bolts and maybe

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i'm wrong somebody can prove me wrong i

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don't know

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so that's that's about all that's really

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going to say on that

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i love the diversity of opinion it's

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great that's why these round tables are

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so much fun because you know we all are

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approaching this subject

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from unique life experiences and

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how that life experience colors our

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thinking i think is uh is an important

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foundational element to how we look at

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all these things and um and i i really

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appreciate everybody's candor and

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welcome to uh the round table and uh

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it's good to have sue here you're our

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first female participant

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in a roundtable discussion and we need

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more

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uh smart up to speed thinkers like you

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on the show and uh you know any

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suggestions that our listeners have or

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you have

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would be greatly appreciated we do have

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a phyllis buddinger coming up

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in the not too distant future um i've

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talked with joan byrd who's a

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investigative researcher up in montana

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and we have some other uh possibilities

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looming on the horizon so we're going to

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try to open this up and get uh

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you know get as diversified as we

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possibly can and and i think this show

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is a good uh is a good start for the

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year

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sue i wanted to ask you something here

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and this goes back to what we were

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talking about in our episode last week

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our 10th anniversary show with paul

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kimball greg bishop and goggs makai and

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that is

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it seems that

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in large part the ufo field

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is like an old boys club

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why is it that maybe fewer females seem

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to be interested and that's true about

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the power cast too because i look at the

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demographics is there something we're

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doing that's wrong

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that's offending women well you know

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it's hard to say i'm probably of an age

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of the old boys club generation so

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i don't have any like authoritative

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answer to this just because i'm female

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but if i were to guess i would say

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there's a historical artifact at work

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here in that 1947 roswell

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the beginning of the atomic era

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the this culture of that era

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was kind of like where the males were

531
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the scientists and the professionals and

532
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the women were pretty much kept out of

533
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stem

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disciplines and

535
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out of any kind of public discourse

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about science let alone

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weird stuff

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but the other thing is you did have

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women participating and probably like

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say ann druffle

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um linda molten how there's there are

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major women figures

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there's probably a lot more that aren't

544
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seen or heard about too much simply

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because

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like the standard def the standard

547
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approach to looking at women's role is

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they did a lot of the unseen jobs

549
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they're still there doing the work but

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they're just not seen or acknowledged so

551
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that's my guess probably more as a

552
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sociologist than is necessarily a female

553
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all right that explains a lot and i

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think we're going to make the next 10

555
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years

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more inclusive because

557
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the part of the problem with the ufo

558
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field in general is that

559
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it's not attracting younger people and

560
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that might be another subject we should

561
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deal with i also want to ask you all

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about

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abductions because it's such a

564
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contentious topic so let's get into that

565
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sue

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younger people

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and all of us without mentioning ages

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are over 21

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a little bit yes a little bit over 21

570
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we're not going to reveal how old i'm as

571
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old as the hills and as brad steiger

572
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once said i was here before the

573
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dinosaurs roamed the earth

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okay

575
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so i understand that

576
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so

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sue

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what do you think we should be doing or

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thinking and we can continue this answer

580
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in the next segment

581
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to attract younger people to come here

582
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and not just comic-con

583
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:51,280
go to comic-con

584
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um

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and i i don't know how to do that but

586
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there's probably a way

587
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i think you have to meet people where

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they are

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and

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i have some ideas about that based on

591
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the younger people i know but not

592
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you know it's it's hard to say it's a

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difficult

594
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issue to tackle

595
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but i think going to comic-con might

596
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might be the answer

597
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or one of them set up a ufo area there

598
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yeah

599
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that's a good idea

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well

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we're going to go here for a second and

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we'll be back

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we've got sue we've got

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ufology we've got stoneheart with more

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to come with gina and chris you're in

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okay well the laughter i don't know

716
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where that came from but nick redford

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i think yeah nick is here in spirit

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yeah

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that's what's happening that's what's

720
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happening so david since we got you up

721
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there what can we do to attract more

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younger people to explore the paranormal

723
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and specifically ufos

724
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well funny you should ask that because i

725
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teach young people so um that's why yes

726
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good point um the interesting thing is

727
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that they are interested in it but how

728
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do i put it as far as they're concerned

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et exists they don't see a problem

730
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they've been brought up with it and you

731
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know science

732
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sci-fi fan fiction etc the young people

733
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themselves i think in a lot of ways look

734
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at it as is a phenomenon that actually

735
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exists they read they've been brought up

736
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with so much of sci-fi fan fiction star

737
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wars etc that as far as they're

738
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concerned it's a phenomenon they don't

739
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really see much point in looking to in

740
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some respects because as far as they're

741
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concerned it's real so they just carry

742
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,799
on with their lives i'm and maybe i'm

743
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:18,480
wrong with that but that's sort of how i

744
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see it and certainly some of my students

745
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:21,279
talk about it

746
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,440
um i don't tend to get involved in the

747
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:25,440
conversations but um

748
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:28,159
yeah i think they just don't see it as

749
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something that's relevant to their daily

750
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life and i do like the idea of looking

751
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:33,919
at comic-con so it may actually be a way

752
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of actually getting the um the younger

753
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:38,399
generations involved in the field and

754
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starting to look at it from

755
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a research point of view

756
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you know what maybe what we should be

757
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doing is getting in touch with alejandra

758
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rojas

759
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:49,039
maybe i should we have lunch

760
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occasionally and maybe i should tell him

761
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:53,039
on our next lunch meeting

762
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:56,720
maybe open minds needs to find a way to

763
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:59,039
open a presence

764
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at comic-con

765
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:02,880
that sounds like something that might be

766
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:04,159
interesting

767
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,640
be a very good idea to do that

768
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:08,320
yeah i've often thought about how we'd

769
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:09,840
actually try and get the younger

770
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:11,440
generations to get into this and i think

771
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:12,880
the idea of actually going along to

772
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their stomping ground i mean certainly

773
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:16,159
you see sort of subreddits bits and

774
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:18,000
pieces on the subject and certainly

775
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:20,000
younger people are interested in it but

776
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:20,880
um

777
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:22,159
i had

778
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:23,039
trying to get them along to the

779
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:24,480
paragraphs now that would actually be

780
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:25,679
the coup you know get them to actually

781
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,799
get involved with some of us who have

782
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:28,399
been into the subject for a very long

783
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:29,919
time and sort of

784
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:31,600
try and sort of bring some fresh ideas

785
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:33,360
and fresh views into it and stop

786
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:35,679
dragging out the the roswell cases

787
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:37,919
constantly um i think that's kind of

788
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:39,200
done and dusted and a bit dead

789
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:41,919
personally sorry to bring up the r word

790
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:43,679
well that's okay is it better than the

791
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:46,080
rs word randall what about you what do

792
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:47,679
you think about getting younger people

793
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:49,440
involved in this field because i hate to

794
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,440
see all this stuff all the things we've

795
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:53,520
spent so much of our lives studying and

796
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:55,520
have it kind of disappear

797
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:58,799
when we vanish from this earthly plane

798
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:00,240
it depends on what you mean by getting

799
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:02,159
involved these days there's so much

800
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:03,840
going on online

801
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:05,600
and if you look at the various forums

802
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:08,080
including the paracast and top secret

803
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:09,600
and so on there's a lot of people who

804
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:12,240
talk about it already

805
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,760
the question is

806
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:16,000
really how much does it impact their

807
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:17,760
daily lives like

808
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:20,320
david says and unless somebody actually

809
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:21,760
sees one of these things and has a

810
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:23,919
first-hand experience they don't really

811
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:26,640
get this sort of life-changing

812
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:29,360
impression from it that witnesses who've

813
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:32,320
been exposed to it do

814
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:35,440
what i did set up a table at a sci-fi

815
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:36,720
convention

816
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:39,919
once and uh i got quite a few people who

817
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:41,679
were sort of interested in the subject

818
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:44,159
but i also had a group who approached me

819
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:47,440
and sort of harassed me at my tables uh

820
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:50,720
making fun of me to some degree

821
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:52,480
saying well at least we know the

822
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:55,200
difference between fact and fiction

823
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:56,000
so

824
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,080
although there's people in sci-fi

825
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:00,240
conventions and

826
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:02,720
comic-con and they don't

827
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,440
necessarily take it seriously as a real

828
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:07,279
phenomena

829
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:10,399
well part of the thing is traditionally

830
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:14,000
even though you think there'd be some

831
00:31:19,510 --> 00:31:15,840
some kind of

832
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:19,520
symponico here science fiction people

833
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:21,039
dislike

834
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:22,960
people in the ufo field maybe because

835
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,159
they want to feel that however wacky a

836
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:28,720
sci-fi story might be there is a basis

837
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:30,799
of sound science but when you're trying

838
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:33,120
to get ufo people involved

839
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:35,120
with science fiction people

840
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:37,200
over the years it hasn't worked out so

841
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,159
well

842
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:40,640
a lot of us have tried and it just

843
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:42,480
doesn't happen i mean it's not that some

844
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:44,960
sci-fi people aren't heavily responsible

845
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:47,440
in the ufo field probably the number one

846
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:49,760
person being ray palmer who was very

847
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:52,080
famous in sci-fi circles

848
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:53,760
until of course he introduced the

849
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:56,720
shaffer mystery in the 40s and then

850
00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:58,880
it's probably one of the principal

851
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:02,240
architects of the early ufo legend

852
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:04,799
by dint of his promoting kenneth arnold

853
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:07,039
doing a book with kenneth arnold

854
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:09,440
having flying saucers magazine and fate

855
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:10,640
magazine

856
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:14,559
yet he was a major figure in sci-fi

857
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:16,320
and of course then we've got the

858
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:19,200
opposite with arthur c clarke who of

859
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:23,039
course was quite a skeptic on the matter

860
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:25,600
well of course that's traditional

861
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:27,760
isaac asimov of course

862
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:30,640
didn't believe in ufos either

863
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:32,320
you know they want to be

864
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:35,760
conservative about their real science

865
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:39,360
quite liberal or imaginative about their

866
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:40,720
faux science

867
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,799
but still imagine there's a real basis

868
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,080
for it

869
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:46,240
but there's really nothing unscientific

870
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:48,159
about the possibility of interstellar

871
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:49,200
travel

872
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:52,159
oh no any scientist

873
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:54,640
yeah there's a story out this week that

874
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:56,880
some scientists want to set up

875
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:57,600
a

876
00:33:02,070 --> 00:32:59,840
crowdfunding

877
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:02,080
kickstarter campaign

878
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,919
to build a prototype for a

879
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:07,840
anti-matter engine

880
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:09,679
have you guys heard about this

881
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:16,070
it's just finding the anti-matter i

882
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:19,200
suppose would be a big problem there

883
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:26,149
um

884
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:28,240
that would be fun though

885
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:30,080
imagine traveling of course they say

886
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:31,919
would only travel with 40 of the speed

887
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:33,039
of light

888
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,559
so we're not talking about warp drive

889
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:36,240
here folks we're talking about an

890
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:38,640
anti-matter engine and you can keep the

891
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,640
darn thing from exploding

892
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:42,640
uh but this is gonna be interesting

893
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:44,799
there are hundreds of billions of stars

894
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:46,399
in our own galaxy and hundreds of

895
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:48,559
billions of galaxies

896
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:53,360
go come on what fun so many places to go

897
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:55,039
so little time but some of us you know

898
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:57,760
unless we do go with warp drive

899
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:00,480
we're too old to take this trip

900
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:02,960
so i'm a big tricky as well gene um yeah

901
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:05,039
star trek not star wars sorry sorry mike

902
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,760
sorry everybody

903
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,440
i am definitely a big tricky fan grew up

904
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:11,599
with it grew up watching it in on on the

905
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:13,440
mornings here in tv in new zealand on

906
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:14,560
black and white it was still black and

907
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:16,079
white tv in the 1970s here in new

908
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:17,599
zealand i know

909
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:20,560
and um yeah i suppose it that gave me my

910
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:22,480
love of sci-fi and partly i suppose it

911
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:24,079
leads into the paranormal subject as

912
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:26,320
well for ufos it's just

913
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:27,919
and i think some of my students just

914
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:29,200
like that as well they're all very much

915
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:30,960
into star wars and into that sort of

916
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:32,399
thing

917
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,919
maybe that's a good lead-in to getting

918
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:35,520
them interested in

919
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:36,320
the

920
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:41,359
whole just to circle things back a wee

921
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,960
bit there

922
00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:44,879
it's interesting here how

923
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:47,839
so many scientists want to duplicate

924
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:50,079
things from star trek

925
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:53,119
i mean there's experimentation in matter

926
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:56,320
transports a transportation machine

927
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:58,160
obviously we have

928
00:35:02,069 --> 00:34:59,680
cell phones

929
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:02,079
and iphones and android phones which are

930
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:05,200
very much now i guess like tricorders

931
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:06,800
oh look

932
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:08,560
definitely

933
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:10,400
when you look at it as as long as you

934
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:11,680
can work out the maths and the physics

935
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:13,119
of the maps it becomes an engineering

936
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:14,400
problem

937
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:15,599
when things become an engineering

938
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,839
problem that's solvable and that's my

939
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:19,680
personal opinion on it

940
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,960
but from an engineer's point of view

941
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:22,320
that's the way i see it if you can show

942
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:23,839
me the math and show me that it works on

943
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:26,320
paper then given time you can work out

944
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,359
how to do it from an engineering problem

945
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:31,359
sue are you much into science fiction at

946
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:32,880
all

947
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:35,920
i was as a teenager heavily heavily into

948
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:38,000
science fiction isaac asimov robert

949
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:39,839
heinlein

950
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:42,240
after a certain point i kind of dropped

951
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,480
away from that although i remain a

952
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:47,040
devoted trekkie

953
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:49,280
and yeah some of the some of the tv

954
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:50,800
shows like

955
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:53,599
blake seven um

956
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:56,480
the whole trek universe

957
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,000
so uh not so much nowadays except living

958
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:02,240
in that ideal world of kind of the en

959
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:05,200
enterprise spaceship

960
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,480
now as some of you might have heard

961
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,320
there was a new star trek series it's

962
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:10,480
going to be on cbs but they're mostly

963
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:13,920
going to stream it on cbs all access

964
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,079
after the first episode

965
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:18,640
and one of the people involved in that

966
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:20,480
is nicholas meyer

967
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:22,400
who was a producer writer and director

968
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:24,880
of star trek ii wrath of khan considered

969
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:27,440
to be probably the best star trek movie

970
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:29,599
so nicholas meyer is going to be

971
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:30,720
involved

972
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:32,640
so there you go

973
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:34,800
in any case we've got our listener round

974
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table

975
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we've got

976
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ufology with gene and chris you're in

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[Music]

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00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:07,990
hi this is bryce abel i'm the producer

1067
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of dark skies the co-author of ad after

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disclosure and you are listening to the

1069
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paracast the gold standard of paranormal

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radio

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[Music]

1072
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:25,440
they do it better than we do chris we

1073
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:26,400
should just

1074
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:27,839
record all their

1075
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,240
the power cast stingers and you and i

1076
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:32,720
will retire from that what do you think

1077
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:39,430
yeah we could do little clips and uh and

1078
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:42,079
put them in there sure why not okay i

1079
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:44,079
think we'll set up that way maybe some

1080
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,960
kind of loop carousel or something

1081
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,560
where every time we play it there'll be

1082
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:50,160
a different voice

1083
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:52,319
yeah and back to the old cart days in

1084
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:54,079
this radio station where you plug in

1085
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:56,319
your cart oh my god

1086
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,119
oh

1087
00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:59,760
do i remember those do i remember those

1088
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:01,920
because i came out of real radio yeah i

1089
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:03,440
mean this is real radio we're on real

1090
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:05,359
radio stations and everything

1091
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,040
but yeah that was

1092
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:09,440
a fascinating time you know gene i

1093
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,880
remember those things when i was doing

1094
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,720
work in television and when they broke

1095
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,880
they were a pain and a bum to fix

1096
00:42:16,990 --> 00:42:16,400
yes

1097
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:17,000
oh god

1098
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:18,160
[Laughter]

1099
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:19,440
now folks who don't understand what

1100
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:20,960
we're talking about remember the days of

1101
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:23,839
eight track and four track tapes

1102
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:26,160
these little cartridges

1103
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,640
well the cartridges used by radio

1104
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:30,560
stations with the same thing so you'd

1105
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:32,240
pop them into this cart machine and

1106
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:33,680
you'd have several

1107
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:35,359
and you'd bounce back and forth to do

1108
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:37,280
your commercials or your stingers or

1109
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:38,720
something like that

1110
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:40,240
when they broke and suddenly you've got

1111
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:42,640
to put on ad for the local supermarket

1112
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:44,480
or something and suddenly the cart

1113
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:47,599
doesn't work or the card is broken

1114
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:49,839
and you'd have to take the thing apart

1115
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,040
manually

1116
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:53,280
and splice together

1117
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:54,480
the tape

1118
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:57,200
sometimes to make it work and even worse

1119
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:59,119
now this is something that people

1120
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:00,640
probably know

1121
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:02,319
and this is true with the power cast by

1122
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:05,359
the way even though we adhere to

1123
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:07,040
clean language we don't use the seven

1124
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:08,640
dirty words

1125
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:11,280
they have a seven second delay on us

1126
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:13,359
because the radio stations need that

1127
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:14,400
time

1128
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:16,400
to take out something that's

1129
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,760
a mistake or something they don't want

1130
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,200
to get caught

1131
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:21,119
with the fcc although things are much

1132
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:22,560
more liberal now

1133
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:24,240
but in the old days to have a seven

1134
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:26,240
second delay on a talk show you used a

1135
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:28,079
cart machine

1136
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:30,000
where it would have seven seconds of

1137
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:31,839
tape and loop around

1138
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:33,920
and you'd start and you'd have to count

1139
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:36,160
back seven seconds

1140
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:38,400
and start talking seven seconds before

1141
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:40,960
the commercial ends so that as soon as

1142
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:41,839
your

1143
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:43,760
conversation began

1144
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:45,200
it was in sync

1145
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,880
really confusing

1146
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:48,480
does anybody know what i'm talking about

1147
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:51,440
probably not no i do yes same here jane

1148
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,079
i know what you're talking about i

1149
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,160
remember eight tracks yeah

1150
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:58,640
same concept but it's the timing element

1151
00:44:02,790 --> 00:43:59,920
that uh

1152
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,800
as gene just described

1153
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:04,160
really you had to be on your toes you

1154
00:44:06,829 --> 00:44:05,839
could not you had to always be on your a

1155
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:06,839
game

1156
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:09,119
definitely i've had a few of them die on

1157
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:11,680
me in the middle of um shows it's not

1158
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,960
pretty when they start calling for a

1159
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,640
particular sting role in the middle of a

1160
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,800
a kid's show and you're going it's not

1161
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:18,319
working and the directors are starting

1162
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:22,240
to throw stuff no not a lot of fun

1163
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:24,400
and something always breaks

1164
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,200
oh yes you see even nowadays when

1165
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:29,280
everything is digital and the normal

1166
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:30,800
radio stations are sitting there with a

1167
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:32,400
bank of computers

1168
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,240
things sometimes don't work we've had

1169
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,640
one or two instances for example

1170
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:38,400
even though

1171
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,359
this

1172
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,200
should be pretty seamless we've had a

1173
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,440
couple of times over the years where

1174
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:45,119
they'll start playing the power cast for

1175
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:47,839
my other show the tech night now live

1176
00:44:49,950 --> 00:44:49,280
and suddenly you're hearing last week's

1177
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:49,960
segment

1178
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:52,160
[Music]

1179
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:54,800
if it's computers then that is obviously

1180
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:57,040
uh human error

1181
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,280
definitely let's get to the most

1182
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:01,440
troubling subject

1183
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:03,920
in ufo research the one that breeds the

1184
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:07,040
most hate and contempt on the power cast

1185
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:08,160
forms

1186
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:09,760
and sue i'll have you

1187
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:12,000
talk to us first about this

1188
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,079
ufo abductions

1189
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:16,240
do you have any basic opinion about

1190
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:20,000
before we go on well i'll tell you um

1191
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:23,119
when i started listening to the paracast

1192
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:25,760
four or five years ago i completely

1193
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:27,040
wrote off

1194
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:28,800
this notion that people were being

1195
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,319
abducted by ufos from the little bit i

1196
00:45:38,309 --> 00:45:34,240
knew about it it just

1197
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,319
seemed to me to be entirely artifacts of

1198
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:41,040
hypnotic regression sessions or what

1199
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:42,240
have you

1200
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:44,160
but then actually listening to enough

1201
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:46,880
people talk has changed my mind to

1202
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:48,400
thinking that people are having these

1203
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:50,720
really unusual experiences

1204
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:53,359
that they don't know what's going on

1205
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,160
so

1206
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,480
i've moved my position a little bit and

1207
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:58,400
it's something that's come to intrigue

1208
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:59,200
me

1209
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,520
mores i'm not going to say that nothing

1210
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,440
is happening because clearly

1211
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:05,520
people are being affected by something

1212
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:08,319
as far as i can tell

1213
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:10,319
do you have any particular reaction

1214
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:13,200
vis-a-vis the major players kathleen

1215
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:14,640
martin

1216
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:18,400
the late bud hopkins dr david jacobs

1217
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:21,680
yeah yeah um well

1218
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:24,240
i have a lot of reactions and i guess i

1219
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:26,800
i would say i don't consider

1220
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:29,680
jacob's work to be of much value for

1221
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,599
understanding either the abduction

1222
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:33,599
experience or

1223
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:36,640
the broader narrative he claims to be

1224
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:39,040
putting forward and the same with

1225
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,240
hopkins

1226
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:42,960
i mean that's my personal opinions

1227
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,160
you know i think there's a lot of

1228
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:46,800
problems with the research there but one

1229
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:49,680
thing i've been really thinking about

1230
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,079
lately is for all the people who have

1231
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:54,720
built their identity on around these

1232
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:57,839
experiences and these kind of successive

1233
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:00,880
interpretations of their experiences

1234
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:02,960
it's not enough just to say

1235
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:05,040
we have to stop doing this you also have

1236
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:05,839
to

1237
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:07,760
help people

1238
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:09,359
you can't just take their basis for

1239
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:11,520
their identity away from them it's kind

1240
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:13,359
of like how can you ask someone to do

1241
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:14,720
that

1242
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,160
so

1243
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:18,319
there's there's a lot of open-ended

1244
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:20,720
questions there about how like american

1245
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:23,680
ufology can come back from what may be a

1246
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,520
potentially

1247
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:27,520
dreadful error with

1248
00:47:30,550 --> 00:47:29,599
the use of hypnotic regression in

1249
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:30,560
studying

1250
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:33,520
abduction experiences

1251
00:47:36,829 --> 00:47:34,960
well i think a lot of us are worried

1252
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:36,839
about hypnotic regression in

1253
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:40,079
general and frankly speaking i do not

1254
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:43,280
ever want to be hypnotized

1255
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:45,359
i don't care if it's from a trained

1256
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:48,240
professional psychiatrist

1257
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:50,800
stay away from my mind it's crazy enough

1258
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:54,160
and it's muddled enough as it is

1259
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:57,440
agreed i would add though hypnosis is a

1260
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:00,640
really interesting phenomena and um i

1261
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:03,359
don't think we should dismiss it from

1262
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:05,040
careful study

1263
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:07,839
and and use all together it just needs

1264
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:09,520
to be understood

1265
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:12,079
better and used better maybe with a

1266
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:14,720
little bit less of a mythic overlay but

1267
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:17,280
something really strange does go on with

1268
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:19,760
hypnosis i just don't believe that we

1269
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:24,319
have a very good grasp of what it is

1270
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:26,400
randall what's your reaction to

1271
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:28,160
abductions

1272
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:30,400
i tend to have much the same sentiment

1273
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,800
as sue there actually i do believe that

1274
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:34,800
something strange is going on people are

1275
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:37,520
having genuine experiences

1276
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:40,640
what exactly they are i'm not sure

1277
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:41,760
i think

1278
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:42,559
that

1279
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:43,680
probably

1280
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:45,680
the most respected researcher in my

1281
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:47,599
opinion was john mack

1282
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:49,280
and he tended to

1283
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:50,640
think the same thing he was

1284
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:53,200
non-committal about exactly what was

1285
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,880
going on but

1286
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:56,640
seemed to be a believer in alien

1287
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:58,800
visitation and

1288
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:00,800
if you're a believer in alien visitation

1289
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:03,359
whether it be the eth or whatever the

1290
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:06,400
case may be then it seems reasonable

1291
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:08,720
from there to say that well

1292
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:10,800
why are they coming here maybe they're

1293
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:13,119
studying us if they're studying us

1294
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:15,760
that might be a reason to abduct the

1295
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:17,680
occasional human being for research

1296
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,960
purposes

1297
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:20,640
so it's not beyond the realm of

1298
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,240
possibility

1299
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:24,960
it's just that on a case-by-case basis

1300
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:26,800
because there's so little material

1301
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:27,760
evidence

1302
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:29,200
we really

1303
00:49:35,109 --> 00:49:32,559
can't be as certain for example as other

1304
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:35,119
things like radar visual cases where

1305
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:38,559
people actually spot ufos on radar send

1306
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:41,359
a jet up the pilot sees it and so on and

1307
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:43,760
then it streaks off into the distance

1308
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:44,960
the thing that bothers me about

1309
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:47,359
abductions amongst all the problems

1310
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,480
problems with hypnotic regression etc

1311
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:52,480
is the repetition

1312
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:54,160
how many

1313
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:55,599
earth people

1314
00:50:01,829 --> 00:49:58,400
does et have to kidnap

1315
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:01,839
and examine before they've done it all

1316
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,520
how many times they have to do that why

1317
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:05,920
repeat it over and over again certainly

1318
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:08,720
you can separate into male female

1319
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,079
different

1320
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:12,640
racial origins things like that and get

1321
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:14,960
a pretty good picture of what humans are

1322
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:17,920
all about you don't have to do it over

1323
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:20,319
and over again

1324
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:21,839
that's what bothers me in addition to

1325
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:23,200
everything else

1326
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:25,119
i think actually that a really good case

1327
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,040
can be made for why it would be done

1328
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,280
over and over again for example

1329
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:31,760
it's not uncommon for people here on

1330
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:34,480
earth who study animals to study actual

1331
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:37,839
families of animals in the wild their

1332
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:41,280
offspring and so on yeah but that's one

1333
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:43,440
family not thousands

1334
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:45,359
in other words choose a representative

1335
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,880
sample

1336
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,960
and follow those families through their

1337
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,880
lives or whatever you need to do but you

1338
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:52,800
don't have to do it thousands of times

1339
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:55,119
well that's true but we also have

1340
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,119
hundreds of scientists doing this right

1341
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:59,520
now with various different

1342
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:01,920
uh subjects so

1343
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:03,920
repeating experiments over time also

1344
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:06,400
gives us an idea of what's going on over

1345
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:08,480
time as well it actually isn't really a

1346
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,559
problem for me at all

1347
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:12,559
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1350
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1351
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1352
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1353
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1354
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[Applause]

1410
00:54:03,349 --> 00:53:59,680
welcome back to the paracast the gold

1411
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:03,359
standard of paranormal radio

1412
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:04,640
and now

1413
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:07,920
here's gene steinberg

1414
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:13,430
okay we continue with our listener round

1415
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:15,920
table with ufology sue

1416
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:17,440
and stoneheart

1417
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:18,640
and we're going to get to some of your

1418
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:21,040
questions listeners as we progress but

1419
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:22,960
chris o'brien had a comment first go

1420
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:25,200
ahead please well i think the idea of

1421
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:27,599
replicating data you know coming back uh

1422
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:30,720
doing a a um you know a timeline

1423
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:34,480
type uh program and in in terms of how

1424
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,720
many subjects have been apparently

1425
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:38,400
selected

1426
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,400
there may be a methodology that we don't

1427
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:42,319
fully understand or couldn't even

1428
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:44,480
possibly understand at work and maybe

1429
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:46,160
there's some sort of

1430
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:47,760
rationale

1431
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:49,760
for having so many

1432
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:50,640
people

1433
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,599
being

1434
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:53,680
allegedly abducted and

1435
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:55,920
and also multi-generational cases which

1436
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:58,079
i actually had one that was quite

1437
00:55:01,910 --> 00:55:00,000
fascinating but the one thing that's

1438
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:01,920
always bothered me i mean

1439
00:55:05,829 --> 00:55:03,839
you know the fact that people are

1440
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:05,839
reporting this is you know let's let's

1441
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:07,520
say that that's a given that there's

1442
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:09,040
definitely something

1443
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:10,720
going on that's other

1444
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,359
the actual level of technology

1445
00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:15,599
it seems that that the experimentations

1446
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:18,839
and how they're described by by the

1447
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:21,200
abductees mirrors

1448
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:23,200
a little less than cutting-edge medical

1449
00:55:28,270 --> 00:55:26,240
technologies on this planet and the fact

1450
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:28,280
that nobody uh has ever mentioned

1451
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:31,040
nanotechnology no one's mentioned

1452
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,400
dna

1453
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:34,480
instead of scooping out you know chunks

1454
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:36,960
of flesh why don't they just swab inside

1455
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:38,160
your cheek

1456
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:39,680
you know it's some of it just sounds

1457
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:42,000
medieval and it's almost like

1458
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:44,079
some sort of torture chamber

1459
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:46,880
set up to to elicit some sort of

1460
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:50,079
a primal fear-based response and uh you

1461
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:52,319
know that might might be one of the

1462
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:54,000
you know the mo's that they're employing

1463
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:55,359
maybe they you know

1464
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:57,359
i've heard people say yeah they feed off

1465
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,599
negative emotions and maybe they're just

1466
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:01,440
recharging their uh

1467
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:04,079
their batteries by freaking people out

1468
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:06,319
and sitting there but maybe it's sexual

1469
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:09,280
for them maybe it gets them off to get

1470
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:12,480
this charge of fear uh on some

1471
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:14,720
energetic level i know i'm riffing here

1472
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,480
but what do you guys think about the

1473
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:18,640
level of technology why is it so

1474
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:20,799
medieval why doesn't it even come up to

1475
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:22,720
the cutting edge

1476
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:24,480
level of technology that we currently

1477
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:25,520
employ

1478
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:27,920
what's wrong with that oh i'm glad you

1479
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:29,359
brought up this point because it's

1480
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:30,640
something that seems to come up all the

1481
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:33,599
time in this particular arms of area i

1482
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:35,040
i'm not sure that i have much more to

1483
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:36,799
add than what everybody else here has

1484
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:39,040
done so far but i can see how people

1485
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:40,480
start to get on to that whole and i'm

1486
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:41,920
not a proponent of this the whole

1487
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:44,720
demonic side of the ufo experience that

1488
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:45,599
there's

1489
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:47,040
those people are now following down the

1490
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:49,520
idea that it's demons and it's it and

1491
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:50,880
you know it's

1492
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:53,599
now some spiritual nasties you can see

1493
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:55,440
how they can draw that conclusion

1494
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:57,280
because if it was a highly

1495
00:57:01,990 --> 00:56:59,119
technologically advanced

1496
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,000
society or species do you not think

1497
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:04,319
they'd do what we do just drop a

1498
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:07,359
satellite into orbit and just observe

1499
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:08,799
they wouldn't really need to be

1500
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:12,000
performing such crazy sorts of medieval

1501
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:13,839
surgery as you say chris

1502
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:15,760
it's something odd it might say it's

1503
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:17,920
more about the human psyche to me than

1504
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,480
it actually does about the eth would you

1505
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:21,920
agree

1506
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:24,400
would definitely

1507
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:26,960
well i would tend to think that actually

1508
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:28,799
there when we do experiments we need to

1509
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,559
do groundwork we need to get out we need

1510
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:32,640
to take physical samples we need to be

1511
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:35,599
able to analyze them physically in

1512
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:38,079
and it can't all simply be done remotely

1513
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:39,760
so although

1514
00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:42,400
having some orbital observation platform

1515
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:43,839
is reasonable there's still the

1516
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:46,079
necessity to obtain physical samples if

1517
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:48,160
you want to do real

1518
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:50,400
detailed study of things

1519
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:52,000
agreed randall but still you end up with

1520
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:53,839
that sort of as chris was saying that

1521
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:56,240
sort of whole situation upon the actual

1522
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:58,400
samples being taken i mean why are they

1523
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:00,319
being taken the way they are why is this

1524
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:03,119
whole primal fear-based thing coming in

1525
00:58:06,309 --> 00:58:05,040
and i don't understand why it'd be done

1526
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:06,319
that way i mean we can certainly do

1527
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:07,920
surgery whereupon we can knock out an

1528
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:10,160
animal where when we do it in the field

1529
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:11,920
you know you take a sample from say i

1530
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:13,280
don't know a deer

1531
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:16,240
or an antelope say and we knock the

1532
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:18,559
animal out we take the samples release

1533
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:20,799
it and they didn't had no idea what was

1534
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:22,480
actually happening during the entire

1535
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:25,200
time but you look at these people who

1536
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:27,760
have the um aggression and

1537
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:29,839
they actually are experiencing the whole

1538
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:32,079
procedure it's this is interesting

1539
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:34,240
well then again they have been regressed

1540
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,200
so they were allegedly made to forget

1541
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:39,440
what was going on but we also have to be

1542
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:41,440
careful about our assumptions

1543
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:42,720
for example

1544
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:45,920
these experiments could be experiments

1545
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,960
just to see what our reaction is okay

1546
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:50,640
we're going to bring one aboard we're

1547
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,119
going to take some scoop marks then

1548
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:55,599
we're going to set them free again and

1549
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:58,000
see what the other people around them do

1550
00:59:01,829 --> 00:58:59,599
will they be studying

1551
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:01,839
how will the rest of the species react

1552
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:03,359
to what has happened to this one

1553
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:04,640
individual

1554
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:05,920
it may not

1555
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,079
have anything to do with actual medical

1556
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:10,640
experiments but why do it thousands of

1557
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:13,119
times you see the same reaction

1558
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:14,720
it would be the same reaction i mean

1559
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,480
what would your reaction be it would be

1560
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:18,400
fear it would be pain

1561
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,480
i mean you only need to do that to a few

1562
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:22,480
animals and and note that this is the

1563
00:59:25,829 --> 00:59:24,319
reaction it happens every single time

1564
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:25,839
i'm just playing the devil's advocate

1565
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:28,240
here i tend to agree but i also tend to

1566
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:29,520
think that there aren't as many

1567
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:31,200
abductions actually going on as what's

1568
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:33,440
being reported so when we say

1569
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:35,839
well there's thousands of things

1570
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:37,599
experiments going on at any given time

1571
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:39,680
well i i'm not so sure i would agree

1572
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:41,200
with that i think it's actually far

1573
00:59:45,829 --> 00:59:42,880
fewer

1574
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:45,839
no agreed so do we come down to the that

1575
00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:47,440
they actually may be a problem with our

1576
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:50,319
hypnosis um system that maybe we're

1577
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:51,440
actually

1578
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:54,960
genuine psychological problems and we're

1579
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:56,160
just

1580
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:58,000
with the ufology field we're actually

1581
01:00:01,349 --> 00:59:59,760
sort of promoting some of these um

1582
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:01,359
psychological problems and we should

1583
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:03,359
really be very careful about how we do

1584
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:05,040
the regression

1585
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:06,960
sue would you like to chime in

1586
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:10,000
yes i i think both of these viewpoints

1587
01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:10,799
are

1588
01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:13,760
rotating around a kind of conundrum

1589
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:15,200
which is that

1590
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:18,319
part of the phenomena or an aspect of it

1591
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:19,599
appears to be

1592
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:21,520
physical in nature and part of it

1593
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:24,640
appears to be psychic in nature and how

1594
01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:27,839
do you understand how those two combine

1595
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:31,119
because most phenomena we deal with in

1596
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:33,359
normal consensus reality doesn't have

1597
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:34,880
that quality quite the same way the

1598
01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:37,839
abduction experience does

1599
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:41,200
and that i think that's

1600
01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:43,200
a really valid point to struggle around

1601
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:45,200
and i think that's kind of where

1602
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:46,000
this

1603
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:48,640
vague fuzzy notion of co-creation starts

1604
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:50,400
to come into play

1605
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:52,319
um but it is a real problem because

1606
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:54,720
there are logical

1607
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:57,040
fallacies whichever way you approach it

1608
01:01:01,750 --> 01:00:59,440
from and i don't think

1609
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:01,760
personally i would not like to say it's

1610
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:04,400
all just psychological problems with

1611
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:06,160
kind of no

1612
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:08,960
ontological other component to them but

1613
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:12,160
that may be just my wishful bias

1614
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:14,640
one thing that bothers me here

1615
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:17,040
we have an intelligent civilization

1616
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:19,599
supposedly coming here wanting to learn

1617
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:22,160
more about the local populace

1618
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:24,559
so they kidnap people now if we're just

1619
01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:26,559
animals and maybe they regard us as

1620
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:28,799
animals that's showing one thing is they

1621
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:30,400
have no respect for us or our

1622
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:33,119
individuality or even

1623
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:35,680
working with the local authorities

1624
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:37,440
whoever they may be

1625
01:01:41,670 --> 01:01:39,680
to come up with a plan you know going to

1626
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:41,680
the governments and say we would like a

1627
01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:44,720
chance to physically examine

1628
01:01:48,069 --> 01:01:45,760
humans

1629
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:48,079
let's work out something well according

1630
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:49,680
to some some people that's already

1631
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:51,280
happened right of course there's no

1632
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:53,359
proof of that

1633
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:56,000
yeah but and then again if uh you're

1634
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:57,599
doing an experiment you don't want to

1635
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:59,359
contaminate the experiment with your own

1636
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:01,440
presence

1637
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:04,960
well it gets on to alien motivations

1638
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:06,720
but if they're alien how can we know

1639
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:09,440
anything about their motivations

1640
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:10,319
great

1641
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:12,960
well science actually has some fairly uh

1642
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:14,880
common rules and one of the things you

1643
01:02:21,030 --> 01:02:18,079
don't do and i would assume uh fairly

1644
01:02:22,950 --> 01:02:21,040
that aliens if they know about science

1645
01:02:25,030 --> 01:02:22,960
they wouldn't want to contaminate their

1646
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:25,040
own experiments with their own presence

1647
01:02:29,030 --> 01:02:26,640
in the same way that when we study

1648
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:29,040
animals in the wildlife we try to

1649
01:02:32,309 --> 01:02:30,480
keep them

1650
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:32,319
separate from us we build

1651
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:34,960
barricades and hiding spots and take

1652
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:36,960
pictures from long distances and when we

1653
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:39,520
do take them we tend to take them

1654
01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:40,559
and

1655
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:45,359
into exactly where they came from

1656
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:46,799
to keep them

1657
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:49,359
separated from us as possible so

1658
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:51,680
there's a possible explanation

1659
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:52,799
this is getting more and more

1660
01:02:56,230 --> 01:02:54,559
fascinating and i know we have some long

1661
01:02:57,190 --> 01:02:56,240
responses from chris and our other

1662
01:02:59,030 --> 01:02:57,200
guests

1663
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:59,040
but before we do that let me tell you

1664
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:00,960
what we're about here

1665
01:03:05,589 --> 01:03:03,680
this is a special listener round table

1666
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:05,599
those who are frequent

1667
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:08,480
listeners participants in our forums

1668
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:11,680
are here so we have stoneheart you

1669
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the authority with which she does that

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sue ufology stoneheart with gene and

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chris chris you had a comment

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well yeah and i think it it boils down

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to um

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several things but but the the prime

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directive idea of of

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trying to be as non-invasive

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as possible

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of course has been a

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a story plot line

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in several star trek episodes and

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including one recently and i think two

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two movies ago

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where they were

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unfortunately revealed

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um and then of course the original star

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star trek had the uh segment where their

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cloaking device failed and the people

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that they were studying were able to

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look up and see them so yeah there's

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something to be said by being as

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non-obtrusive as possible but

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but the whole idea of eliciting uh fear

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in half the cases and the other half of

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the cases it's their benevolent space

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brothers and

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and uh you know

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we

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these uh visitations and um

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abduction accounts so

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you know to me there's too much

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dichotomy there's too much um extreme

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extreme negative or extreme positive

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there's you don't hear many cases that

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are um ongoing that are middle ground

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it's they generally generally fall into

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two extremes so i think that's something

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that really hasn't been i think in my

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mind

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adequately addressed by the abduction

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research community

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unfortunately we have

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people in this particular subject area

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that tend to

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tend to come to conclusions and then it

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seems like all their cases

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that they choose to you know to

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publicize

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tend to fall into the category that that

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does uh you know kind of support bolster

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their particular uh conclusions and

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hearing someone like a bud jacobs i mean

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the guys you know you mean bud jacobs

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bud jacobs

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or david hopkins yeah bud and david i

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mean these guys

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you know i don't know they could be hard

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to walk down the street in new york with

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uh

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bud hopkins 10 years ago and and not

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kind of keep looking at him to see if

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he's looking over his shoulder and keeps

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looking up i mean that type of stuff's

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got to get to you after a while i mean

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hearing story after story after story of

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these evil aliens and you know reptoids

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and you know praying mantises and and

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you know pro bono proctology uh

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you know sessions and it just i mean to

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me that i would have a hard time

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uh

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being an investigator for you know

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and concentrating in that realm you know

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the barbara lamb dr leo sprinkle

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approach of the benevolent space

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brothers here to solve all their

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problems and uh you know make uh cute

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little hybrid babies and that sort of

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01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:01,520
thing i i don't know it's just there's

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something wonky about the whole thing

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i i just think that we're we're missing

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the force for the trees and our our

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research

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01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:12,480
i also worry about the fact again that

1875
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we're being lovey-dovey towards the

1876
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aliens oh they're here to help us but

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they don't worry about kidnapping us

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taking us out of our beds uninvited

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unwanted

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that kind of worries me a lot kind of

1881
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reminds me of what paul kimball had said

1882
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:29,679
to me a long time ago on online and kind

1883
01:11:33,030 --> 01:11:32,080
of repeated a little bit on last week's

1884
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:33,040
episode

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01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:35,280
that he would never allow

1886
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someone like a david jacobs

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or a

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01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:42,159
bud hopkins to hypnotize him at all

1889
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:44,560
and by the way our listeners recall that

1890
01:11:50,229 --> 01:11:46,880
we did an episode back i think in 2010

1891
01:11:52,149 --> 01:11:50,239
2011 with jacobs and hopkins and

1892
01:11:55,590 --> 01:11:52,159
they wouldn't come on unless kimball

1893
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:55,600
agreed not to be there

1894
01:12:01,110 --> 01:11:58,560
i forgot about that

1895
01:12:03,750 --> 01:12:01,120
but yeah you make a good point now i'm

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01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:03,760
an example of somebody that had a what i

1897
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:05,520
feel is a fully conscious real

1898
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:07,600
experience when i was you know six seven

1899
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:09,360
years old and

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01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:11,280
it's just it's amazing how many times

1901
01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:13,120
i've been asked whether i'd like to be

1902
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:15,920
regressed and my automatic knee-jerk

1903
01:12:20,229 --> 01:12:17,760
response is hell no i don't want to be

1904
01:12:21,750 --> 01:12:20,239
regressed i already remember enough

1905
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:21,760
and then the second response would be as

1906
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:23,360
well if i you know if i ever did

1907
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:25,440
consider it it would be somebody that

1908
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:28,560
had nothing to do with the subject of

1909
01:12:32,709 --> 01:12:30,800
aliens ufos or or

1910
01:12:34,830 --> 01:12:32,719
even the paranormal it would be someone

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01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:34,840
that i would go to that was

1912
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:37,440
absolutely as i don't know what the term

1913
01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:38,800
would be i guess

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01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:40,719
you know the ignorant of the subject i

1915
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:43,600
guess would be the best way to put it or

1916
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:45,120
at least um

1917
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:48,000
at least not fascinated by it because

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then you may have a chance of actually

1919
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:53,360
having a real bona fide um accurate uh

1920
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:55,520
hypnotic regression session but

1921
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:57,120
if i had my brothers i'd rather just

1922
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:59,920
kind of leave pandora's box alone

1923
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:01,360
you know it kind of reminds me of the

1924
01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:04,159
story of obviously that abductee you had

1925
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:05,679
so many problems

1926
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:08,640
with dr david jacobs that being a woman

1927
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:11,040
who calls herself emma woods from your

1928
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:13,920
part of the world oh david anyway are

1929
01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:16,080
you in the same town as she or you know

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01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:18,320
no i think she's up north and we're mad

1931
01:13:21,990 --> 01:13:20,000
enough down here in the south island but

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01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:22,000
no they can stay up there okay the thing

1933
01:13:26,550 --> 01:13:23,760
i worry about here is she was going to a

1934
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:26,560
therapist with her abduction experiences

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01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:29,360
and that therapist apparently urged her

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01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:32,719
to contact david jacobs and bud hopkins

1937
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:35,360
oh my god i think that therapist should

1938
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:36,159
be

1939
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:38,880
charged with severe malpractice

1940
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:41,120
i i agree there that whenever i hear it

1941
01:13:44,950 --> 01:13:42,800
brought up in the paracast i just cringe

1942
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:44,960
i think yes it's the ambassadors of new

1943
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:47,040
zealand oh my god

1944
01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:49,840
i i think one of the dangers of hypnotic

1945
01:13:54,790 --> 01:13:52,080
regression is leading the witness the

1946
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:54,800
experiencer and there needs to be a very

1947
01:13:59,189 --> 01:13:57,520
very rigorous scientific method applied

1948
01:14:00,950 --> 01:13:59,199
and it needs to be done as chris says by

1949
01:14:02,229 --> 01:14:00,960
somebody who has no

1950
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:02,239
knowledge or attachment within the

1951
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:04,400
ufology field at all

1952
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:05,920
they should be doing their regressions

1953
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:09,120
because the the whole da the danger even

1954
01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:10,800
aside from that doing a hypnotic

1955
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:13,760
regression by phone oh come on but a

1956
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:16,880
stupid idea anyway i'll stop there

1957
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:18,880
there's a surprisingly long history of

1958
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:20,480
people doing

1959
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:24,320
horrendously awful things with hypnosis

1960
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:26,080
and regression and

1961
01:14:30,950 --> 01:14:28,400
it brings to mind debbie nathan's book i

1962
01:14:33,990 --> 01:14:30,960
think it's called civil exposed

1963
01:14:36,070 --> 01:14:34,000
but in the early 90s during the satanic

1964
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:36,080
ritual abuse panic

1965
01:14:42,229 --> 01:14:38,880
lots of mainstream credentialed

1966
01:14:43,110 --> 01:14:42,239
therapists working in hospitals etc out

1967
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:43,120
there

1968
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:44,400
we're doing

1969
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:46,320
what i consider to be horrendous things

1970
01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:48,560
to patients iatrogenically

1971
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:51,760
inducing multiple personality disorder

1972
01:14:56,310 --> 01:14:54,719
type phenomena and of which i mentioned

1973
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:56,320
debbie nathan's book because that's kind

1974
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:58,400
of like the best case

1975
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:59,440
study

1976
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:01,600
of how that happened with a very famous

1977
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:05,440
mpd patient so yeah it's it's awful but

1978
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:06,640
it's kind of

1979
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:08,800
a signal that we always have to be

1980
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:10,800
really careful about what we're reading

1981
01:15:15,830 --> 01:15:13,760
into the use of hypnosis and of course i

1982
01:15:19,110 --> 01:15:15,840
am not an expert on hypnosis at all i'm

1983
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:19,120
just kind of an observer of the scene

1984
01:15:23,830 --> 01:15:20,800
let me tell you just very briefly before

1985
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:23,840
we go on i played with hypnosis when i

1986
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:26,640
was maybe 20 or 21. i hypnotized one

1987
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:29,040
person and i gave him a post-hypnotic

1988
01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:30,320
suggestion

1989
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:32,640
to stop smoking a pretty good thing you

1990
01:15:35,189 --> 01:15:33,360
know

1991
01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:35,199
and it actually took

1992
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:36,960
for a while except of course the

1993
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:38,480
hypnotic suggestion like that the

1994
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:40,560
post-hypnox suggestion doesn't last very

1995
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:41,440
long

1996
01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:44,320
so over the next few weeks

1997
01:15:48,870 --> 01:15:46,400
his friends were agamon don't you want a

1998
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:48,880
cigarette here why don't you smoke a

1999
01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:50,000
cigarette

2000
01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:50,960
well

2001
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:52,000
guess what would have happened that's

2002
01:15:56,709 --> 01:15:54,719
real positive reinforcement it sure was

2003
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:56,719
so he became addicted again you see the

2004
01:16:01,030 --> 01:15:58,080
suggestion

2005
01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:01,040
came with the edict that if he tried to

2006
01:16:04,470 --> 01:16:03,199
smoke it would have a very bitter taste

2007
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:04,480
to it

2008
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:07,199
and i have to say i was pretty good at

2009
01:16:10,709 --> 01:16:08,159
it you know

2010
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:10,719
i tried a few times and it really worked

2011
01:16:15,270 --> 01:16:12,719
but then you know i kind of drifted away

2012
01:16:16,709 --> 01:16:15,280
maybe i should have taken courses in it

2013
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:16,719
i don't know i don't know gene you've

2014
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:18,719
hypnotized me to stick around on this

2015
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:20,480
show for six years you must be doing

2016
01:16:25,750 --> 01:16:23,040
something right hey i hypnotized my wife

2017
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to be with me nearly 40 years that has

2018
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to be masterful we've got sue we've got

2019
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david we've got randall and gene and

2020
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2119
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xarelto and suffered a serious bleeding

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compensation xarelto is a popular

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prescription blood thinner used to

2124
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2125
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from strokes these serious bleeding

2126
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2131
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this is micah hanks at the gravely

2132
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report and you're listening to the

2133
01:21:00,680 --> 01:20:59,840
paracast the gold standard of paranormal

2134
01:21:09,189 --> 01:21:00,690
radio

2135
01:21:11,189 --> 01:21:09,199
[Music]

2136
01:21:14,070 --> 01:21:11,199
our listener round table was sue

2137
01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:14,080
stoneheart and ufology and gene and

2138
01:21:18,310 --> 01:21:16,480
chris chris we have some questions our

2139
01:21:20,470 --> 01:21:18,320
listeners wanted to ask

2140
01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:20,480
of our guest panel maybe yeah

2141
01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:22,719
i'll say they really uh boy as soon as

2142
01:21:27,750 --> 01:21:24,159
the announcement went up the question

2143
01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:27,760
started piling up here i can say uh

2144
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:29,840
i think in boomerang have quite a number

2145
01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:32,080
of very very good questions

2146
01:21:35,990 --> 01:21:34,800
and um one that polterworth uh really

2147
01:21:37,430 --> 01:21:36,000
wanted to

2148
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:37,440
you know kind of

2149
01:21:40,870 --> 01:21:38,800
point to david

2150
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:40,880
a little bit is um

2151
01:21:45,189 --> 01:21:43,520
about your new home and uh maybe give us

2152
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:45,199
a thumbnail sketch of what's been going

2153
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:47,360
on there and uh

2154
01:21:51,910 --> 01:21:49,280
and if how your efforts going to

2155
01:21:53,270 --> 01:21:51,920
document uh something and

2156
01:21:55,030 --> 01:21:53,280
and then he's got a bunch of follow-up

2157
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:55,040
questions um

2158
01:21:58,870 --> 01:21:57,360
you've seen he says

2159
01:21:59,590 --> 01:21:58,880
correct me if i'm wrong but you've seen

2160
01:22:03,590 --> 01:21:59,600
ball

2161
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:03,600
um there have been sightings of light

2162
01:22:06,229 --> 01:22:04,880
phenomenon

2163
01:22:08,550 --> 01:22:06,239
so it would be interesting to know how

2164
01:22:09,830 --> 01:22:08,560
far back witness reports go is this the

2165
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:09,840
same phenomenon that's been filmed from

2166
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:12,080
an airplane in the 70s i don't know

2167
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:14,080
i'm not aware of the story or up to

2168
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:15,520
speed on this story

2169
01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:16,880
so maybe you should give us a thumbnail

2170
01:22:21,030 --> 01:22:19,280
sketch if you're if you're willing to

2171
01:22:22,149 --> 01:22:21,040
oh i'll only do a very short and brief

2172
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:22,159
one on the house because we've only

2173
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:24,800
really moved in we moved in we started

2174
01:22:30,229 --> 01:22:28,000
renovating the place in june july last

2175
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:30,239
year moved in around about august

2176
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:31,360
honestly

2177
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:33,199
it's actually i'm

2178
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:35,280
jean chris i like to read about the

2179
01:22:39,030 --> 01:22:37,199
paranormal i don't want to be involved

2180
01:22:41,189 --> 01:22:39,040
in it so it's it was a little bit freaky

2181
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:41,199
moving in here from the very

2182
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:42,320
outset

2183
01:22:46,950 --> 01:22:45,520
just odd things odd noises odds of dark

2184
01:22:49,270 --> 01:22:46,960
shapes out of the corner of her eyes

2185
01:22:51,189 --> 01:22:49,280
moving around we come in them and start

2186
01:22:53,750 --> 01:22:51,199
doing painting work here to find paint

2187
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:53,760
stuff tipped over doors unlocked just

2188
01:22:59,189 --> 01:22:56,800
strange things um when the cats moved in

2189
01:23:00,149 --> 01:22:59,199
they had hiss at open doorways the first

2190
01:23:01,590 --> 01:23:00,159
night we were here it sounded like

2191
01:23:03,669 --> 01:23:01,600
somebody was running backwards and

2192
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:03,679
forwards through the ceiling it was just

2193
01:23:08,470 --> 01:23:05,760
clunk clunk clunk clunk now what i did

2194
01:23:10,709 --> 01:23:08,480
do was when we moved in there was still

2195
01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:10,719
stuff from previous owner in here we

2196
01:23:14,070 --> 01:23:12,080
started to remove some of that and the

2197
01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:14,080
place began to calm down and i'm just

2198
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:15,040
wondering

2199
01:23:18,790 --> 01:23:16,800
because i don't know that much about the

2200
01:23:19,750 --> 01:23:18,800
ghost end of the paranormal i guess i'm

2201
01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:19,760
learning

2202
01:23:24,149 --> 01:23:21,440
i there were a couple of old canes were

2203
01:23:26,709 --> 01:23:24,159
sitting in a um in a sort of

2204
01:23:29,110 --> 01:23:26,719
a rack by the front door i threw them

2205
01:23:30,629 --> 01:23:29,120
out and the place began to calm down it

2206
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:30,639
hasn't calmed down completely you have

2207
01:23:34,950 --> 01:23:32,800
the odd door open and closed in the

2208
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:34,960
middle of the night just strange stuff

2209
01:23:38,790 --> 01:23:36,880
as far as investigating honestly because

2210
01:23:41,110 --> 01:23:38,800
of teaching i haven't had a lot of time

2211
01:23:42,709 --> 01:23:41,120
what i did do is i set up my analysis

2212
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:42,719
gear of being a sound engineer and

2213
01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:44,239
started looking for infrasound and

2214
01:23:47,910 --> 01:23:46,080
things like that would sort of make

2215
01:23:50,629 --> 01:23:47,920
suggest that there is sort of something

2216
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:50,639
paranormal going on as this seems to

2217
01:23:54,470 --> 01:23:52,800
lead on to that so i've done some

2218
01:23:56,550 --> 01:23:54,480
initial tests where that's concerned

2219
01:23:59,430 --> 01:23:56,560
when i hit the time and there isn't

2220
01:24:01,030 --> 01:23:59,440
really anything that's sort of

2221
01:24:03,750 --> 01:24:01,040
there is ample sound and it always is

2222
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:03,760
but there's nothing that is harmonically

2223
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:05,520
large enough to really influence you in

2224
01:24:09,669 --> 01:24:07,360
any way shape or form the next step

2225
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:09,679
really is to look at taking some photos

2226
01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:11,600
and i haven't really got around to that

2227
01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:13,600
but if anybody asks about orbs if i see

2228
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:15,199
an orb in a photo i'm going to disregard

2229
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:16,560
that immediately

2230
01:24:20,950 --> 01:24:19,360
because dust because small insects and

2231
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:20,960
reflecting in light

2232
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:24,000
i'm sure that um 90 of any old photos

2233
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:25,600
are pretty much that that's my opinion

2234
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:27,600
but that's why i see it

2235
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:29,440
right have you looked into the history

2236
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:31,280
of the property at all have you done any

2237
01:24:37,189 --> 01:24:33,840
research into uh you know prior uh

2238
01:24:39,910 --> 01:24:37,199
owners um any sort of incidences that

2239
01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:39,920
are reported to have gone on there or or

2240
01:24:44,629 --> 01:24:42,320
happened there that could possibly be

2241
01:24:46,390 --> 01:24:44,639
somehow tied into um

2242
01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:46,400
you know the peripheral type activity

2243
01:24:50,310 --> 01:24:48,480
that you're seeing yes we had a look

2244
01:24:52,149 --> 01:24:50,320
nobody has died on the property uh so

2245
01:24:55,590 --> 01:24:52,159
there's been no deaths here their house

2246
01:24:58,790 --> 01:24:55,600
was built in the early 1960s uh was

2247
01:25:00,390 --> 01:24:58,800
renovated through the 1970s and 1980s

2248
01:25:03,030 --> 01:25:00,400
we're doing the course the 2000's

2249
01:25:05,189 --> 01:25:03,040
renovation there was a family uh that

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01:25:08,229 --> 01:25:05,199
lived here prior to the previous owner

2251
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:08,239
of course they're all still alive so

2252
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:09,520
is this something that happened on the

2253
01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:12,560
ground here pre it being built um during

2254
01:25:17,189 --> 01:25:14,960
maori occupation which is uh the local

2255
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:17,199
indigenous people quite possibly i don't

2256
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:18,960
know but this would have originally been

2257
01:25:22,629 --> 01:25:21,120
marshland uh that was drained of course

2258
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:22,639
when because christchurch if you didn't

2259
01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:24,239
know was actually a swamp they drained

2260
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:26,480
it the typical english thing to do to

2261
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:29,040
build a city on top of it so no there

2262
01:25:33,590 --> 01:25:31,040
doesn't seem to be anything else um

2263
01:25:35,990 --> 01:25:33,600
going on it's just my only thoughts is

2264
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:36,000
possible residue objects that have been

2265
01:25:40,629 --> 01:25:38,159
because i've read about objects certain

2266
01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:40,639
objects can carry residue of a of a

2267
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:42,719
person and you know you read those

2268
01:25:45,590 --> 01:25:44,400
stories about them buying a cheese to

2269
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:45,600
drawers bring it home and suddenly the

2270
01:25:48,790 --> 01:25:47,520
house is haunted those sorts of things

2271
01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:48,800
and i'm thinking maybe that could

2272
01:25:54,070 --> 01:25:51,600
possibly be it or is it possibly a

2273
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:54,080
result of upheaval and um the

2274
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:56,080
psychological trauma the the city itself

2275
01:26:00,229 --> 01:25:57,920
went through during um the earthquakes

2276
01:26:03,110 --> 01:26:00,239
and in 2010 i mean maybe it's just it

2277
01:26:04,950 --> 01:26:03,120
could have a natural explanation exactly

2278
01:26:07,830 --> 01:26:04,960
yeah that's interesting so uh do you

2279
01:26:09,189 --> 01:26:07,840
have a pzm mike uh yes i do and i'm

2280
01:26:10,950 --> 01:26:09,199
considering doing that and see if i can

2281
01:26:12,629 --> 01:26:10,960
pick up any sort of electronic voice

2282
01:26:13,830 --> 01:26:12,639
phenomenon although i'm very weary of

2283
01:26:16,149 --> 01:26:13,840
that because

2284
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:16,159
well i wasn't i wasn't thinking of evp

2285
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:18,560
so much but um if you have any place

2286
01:26:22,310 --> 01:26:20,480
that is a fairly solid

2287
01:26:23,590 --> 01:26:22,320
concrete pad like down in the basement

2288
01:26:25,030 --> 01:26:23,600
you might uh

2289
01:26:27,990 --> 01:26:25,040
look for uh

2290
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:28,000
some sort of fault ulf or vlf type

2291
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:29,520
signals coming through and if you have

2292
01:26:34,390 --> 01:26:30,960
the ability to

2293
01:26:36,790 --> 01:26:34,400
to record down to single digit

2294
01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:36,800
uh wavelengths uh you might be surprised

2295
01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:38,320
at some of the things that you're that

2296
01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:40,320
that you'll discover have you seen any

2297
01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:43,360
correlation between you know recent uh

2298
01:26:48,070 --> 01:26:46,080
tremor events no matter how big or small

2299
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:48,080
and the um outbreak of

2300
01:26:51,590 --> 01:26:50,159
these types of of things and are you

2301
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:51,600
recording them do you have a calendar

2302
01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:53,600
where you're actually writing down dates

2303
01:26:57,590 --> 01:26:55,199
and times and descriptions of things

2304
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:57,600
just you know very quickly on a calendar

2305
01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:59,360
um you should be keeping a log of this

2306
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:01,440
stuff and then i'd be interested to see

2307
01:27:06,149 --> 01:27:02,880
if there's any sort of correlation

2308
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:06,159
between between that and any seismic

2309
01:27:09,189 --> 01:27:07,760
activity no matter again no matter how

2310
01:27:11,430 --> 01:27:09,199
large or small

2311
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:11,440
you know what um yeah i am keeping a log

2312
01:27:14,229 --> 01:27:12,800
of stuff but i hadn't made that

2313
01:27:16,550 --> 01:27:14,239
connection that's an interesting point

2314
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:16,560
chris that because i think about it we

2315
01:27:20,310 --> 01:27:18,400
did actually have a few tremors a couple

2316
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:20,320
of nights ago and the activity in the

2317
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:21,840
house was a little bit higher than

2318
01:27:25,990 --> 01:27:23,920
normal that's interesting i'm going to

2319
01:27:27,189 --> 01:27:26,000
look into that thanks for that sometimes

2320
01:27:29,430 --> 01:27:27,199
it just takes talking to people to

2321
01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:29,440
actually think of a different line of

2322
01:27:32,870 --> 01:27:30,719
thought

2323
01:27:34,390 --> 01:27:32,880
right and also a swamp you know a drain

2324
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:34,400
swamp who knows there may be lots of

2325
01:27:38,470 --> 01:27:36,880
methane around you too as well and any

2326
01:27:39,430 --> 01:27:38,480
sort of light phenomenon could be tied

2327
01:27:42,070 --> 01:27:39,440
to uh

2328
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:42,080
literally to swamp gas well actually

2329
01:27:45,189 --> 01:27:43,600
light phenomenon where earthquakes is

2330
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:45,199
concerned is actually not all that

2331
01:27:47,750 --> 01:27:46,560
uncommon they call them earthquake

2332
01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:47,760
lights and i've actually seen them

2333
01:27:50,709 --> 01:27:49,199
before i think that's what polterburst

2334
01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:50,719
is actually pointing toward if he's not

2335
01:27:54,950 --> 01:27:53,760
talking about the kokoro um kaikoura

2336
01:27:58,430 --> 01:27:54,960
light

2337
01:28:01,910 --> 01:27:58,440
incident which was the ufo in

2338
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:01,920
1978 i believe yeah the valley tech uh

2339
01:28:05,110 --> 01:28:02,719
um

2340
01:28:07,430 --> 01:28:05,120
yeah obviously uh flight tech and then

2341
01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:07,440
also the uh the the mail plane

2342
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:09,520
yeah that's the one yeah which is uh

2343
01:28:12,550 --> 01:28:11,040
it's very famous sighting around here in

2344
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:12,560
new zealand the interesting thing is i

2345
01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:14,480
never really actually debunked it um

2346
01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:16,159
there well i do like a particular

2347
01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:18,639
anecdote from the radar opera operator

2348
01:28:22,709 --> 01:28:20,400
in wellington saying nobody ever

2349
01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:22,719
actually explained to me how venus or

2350
01:28:27,030 --> 01:28:25,040
cabbages managed to be moving to 172

2351
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:27,040
knots on my radar so

2352
01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:29,760
that was fantastic

2353
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:31,920
well that that leads me to a question as

2354
01:28:35,830 --> 01:28:34,159
i i i just want to kind of dive in here

2355
01:28:38,390 --> 01:28:35,840
just briefly before we go on to other

2356
01:28:40,390 --> 01:28:38,400
subjects but new zealand is not a place

2357
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:40,400
that number one has a lot of people what

2358
01:28:44,070 --> 01:28:42,000
is the population of the north island

2359
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:44,080
and the south island combined we're

2360
01:28:48,070 --> 01:28:46,560
approximately four million people okay

2361
01:28:49,350 --> 01:28:48,080
um and it's roughly the size of

2362
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:49,360
california

2363
01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:53,440
thereabouts yes um so what is the uh

2364
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:56,400
likelihood of any sort of

2365
01:29:02,870 --> 01:28:59,760
light phenomenon structure craft unusual

2366
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:02,880
event to be publicized by the regional

2367
01:29:04,870 --> 01:29:03,840
media

2368
01:29:06,709 --> 01:29:04,880
uh

2369
01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:06,719
yeah that's a loaded question that one

2370
01:29:10,870 --> 01:29:08,480
because the fact of the matter is if it

2371
01:29:13,110 --> 01:29:10,880
is it's always ostracized the typical

2372
01:29:15,110 --> 01:29:13,120
sort of little green men you know that

2373
01:29:18,629 --> 01:29:15,120
sort of crud that we usually have to

2374
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:18,639
deal with um but they do report um just

2375
01:29:22,950 --> 01:29:21,199
not that freely there are a couple of

2376
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:22,960
reporting places here i think there's

2377
01:29:27,189 --> 01:29:24,800
you focus in new zealand that does um

2378
01:29:29,590 --> 01:29:27,199
ufo reporting and there are a lot of um

2379
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:29,600
reports that happen on a yearly basis um

2380
01:29:33,750 --> 01:29:30,960
certainly along the east coast new

2381
01:29:35,669 --> 01:29:33,760
zealand um but and almost specifically

2382
01:29:37,669 --> 01:29:35,679
between blenheim and sort of

2383
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:37,679
christchurch through the pegasus bay

2384
01:29:41,750 --> 01:29:40,080
area that's where kokoda actually is

2385
01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:41,760
right

2386
01:29:46,310 --> 01:29:44,320
a lot of usos as well um

2387
01:29:48,310 --> 01:29:46,320
fishing boats see um there's fishing

2388
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:48,320
boat crews that have had large objects

2389
01:29:51,510 --> 01:29:49,679
travel underneath their boats and bits

2390
01:29:52,709 --> 01:29:51,520
and pieces

2391
01:29:54,629 --> 01:29:52,719
you should actually look at new zealand

2392
01:29:56,470 --> 01:29:54,639
because there's quite a wealth of ufo

2393
01:29:58,950 --> 01:29:56,480
sightings and um cases here i've got a

2394
01:30:00,229 --> 01:29:58,960
few spread out on the floor here um you

2395
01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:00,239
probably don't know that there was a

2396
01:30:06,070 --> 01:30:03,840
1909 airship flap here in new zealand so

2397
01:30:08,790 --> 01:30:06,080
it was um one of the first airship flaps

2398
01:30:10,310 --> 01:30:08,800
in the world and at the time there were

2399
01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:10,320
no airships of any form here in new

2400
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:11,840
zealand at all no directions you're

2401
01:30:16,870 --> 01:30:14,880
talking about 1909 uh 1999 1908 yeah

2402
01:30:18,390 --> 01:30:16,880
yeah you know what folks i think we're

2403
01:30:21,189 --> 01:30:18,400
going to have to do a special episode of

2404
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:21,199
the power cast about new zealand

2405
01:30:25,030 --> 01:30:23,280
sightings and david you could work with

2406
01:30:26,070 --> 01:30:25,040
us to get to the downtown

2407
01:30:27,430 --> 01:30:26,080
australia

2408
01:30:29,350 --> 01:30:27,440
shirt oh yeah

2409
01:30:31,669 --> 01:30:29,360
we have sue we have david we have

2410
01:30:38,750 --> 01:30:31,679
randall we have gene we have chris

2411
01:30:43,350 --> 01:30:39,830
[Applause]

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hi this is joshua p warren author of the

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poor man's paranormal and you're

2521
01:35:04,190 --> 01:35:00,639
listening to the paracast the gold

2522
01:35:10,950 --> 01:35:04,200
standard of paranormal radio

2523
01:35:16,950 --> 01:35:13,590
before we go on other questions anyone

2524
01:35:20,629 --> 01:35:16,960
have any questions ask david about

2525
01:35:22,070 --> 01:35:20,639
his unusual home other than why haven't

2526
01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:22,080
you moved david

2527
01:35:25,110 --> 01:35:23,520
i'm not moving i'll learn to live with

2528
01:35:26,870 --> 01:35:25,120
if i have to i'm not moving i love this

2529
01:35:29,270 --> 01:35:26,880
place i'm sitting in a studio right now

2530
01:35:31,430 --> 01:35:29,280
and i'm quite happy

2531
01:35:34,390 --> 01:35:31,440
it's cool it keeps life kind of you know

2532
01:35:36,550 --> 01:35:34,400
zippy and and uh keeps you on your toes

2533
01:35:37,990 --> 01:35:36,560
well because chris in the end uh like i

2534
01:35:39,830 --> 01:35:38,000
said i'm quite a logical person there

2535
01:35:41,189 --> 01:35:39,840
must be some natural

2536
01:35:43,030 --> 01:35:41,199
explanation for this maybe there's a

2537
01:35:44,870 --> 01:35:43,040
spiritual one but

2538
01:35:47,110 --> 01:35:44,880
there must be something that's natural

2539
01:35:48,870 --> 01:35:47,120
i'm looking for a natural explanation

2540
01:35:50,709 --> 01:35:48,880
because as you guys on the forum i

2541
01:35:52,390 --> 01:35:50,719
probably read before i want to know i

2542
01:35:54,790 --> 01:35:52,400
don't want to believe it's a totally

2543
01:35:56,629 --> 01:35:54,800
different mindset so although you know

2544
01:35:58,550 --> 01:35:56,639
i'm not so much of a skeptic on the sort

2545
01:36:00,229 --> 01:35:58,560
of the ghost end of the paranormal i'm

2546
01:36:02,070 --> 01:36:00,239
still skeptical as to what it actually

2547
01:36:04,070 --> 01:36:02,080
is i'd like to get to the bottom of it

2548
01:36:05,669 --> 01:36:04,080
it could easily still be infrasound i

2549
01:36:07,910 --> 01:36:05,679
mean three kilometers away there is a

2550
01:36:09,270 --> 01:36:07,920
motorway we could be getting some um

2551
01:36:11,510 --> 01:36:09,280
some ground rumble for here that's

2552
01:36:14,149 --> 01:36:11,520
causing the phenomenon who knows

2553
01:36:18,550 --> 01:36:14,159
i do know you believe in is pink floyd

2554
01:36:21,430 --> 01:36:18,560
oh yes that ken crimson thank you

2555
01:36:23,910 --> 01:36:21,440
king crimson yes in king crimson yes of

2556
01:36:26,709 --> 01:36:23,920
course uh any of the prague rock bands

2557
01:36:29,270 --> 01:36:26,719
that actually uh didn't went somewhere

2558
01:36:30,950 --> 01:36:29,280
lasted you know oh yeah yeah there's

2559
01:36:32,390 --> 01:36:30,960
there's a pile of vinyls here in fact it

2560
01:36:35,189 --> 01:36:32,400
was what was i listening to last night

2561
01:36:38,070 --> 01:36:35,199
jeff rotell in some dire straits

2562
01:36:39,110 --> 01:36:38,080
yeah i saw every pink floyd tour from 73

2563
01:36:40,870 --> 01:36:39,120
to the

2564
01:36:42,629 --> 01:36:40,880
wall concert where i got left out in the

2565
01:36:44,709 --> 01:36:42,639
parking lot because my buddy got busted

2566
01:36:45,830 --> 01:36:44,719
with a sheet of blotter acid and he had

2567
01:36:46,870 --> 01:36:45,840
my ticket

2568
01:36:48,629 --> 01:36:46,880
oh no

2569
01:36:51,990 --> 01:36:48,639
i mean this with love chris i hate you i

2570
01:36:54,390 --> 01:36:52,000
would love to have seen those concerts

2571
01:36:56,070 --> 01:36:54,400
yeah that was halfway between the sound

2572
01:36:57,510 --> 01:36:56,080
board and the stage when they i think

2573
01:36:59,109 --> 01:36:57,520
premiered dark side of the moon in the

2574
01:37:01,189 --> 01:36:59,119
u.s or it was the second time they

2575
01:37:01,990 --> 01:37:01,199
played it oh it was just highlighting my

2576
01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:02,000
life

2577
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:04,000
i did get to work on the roger water

2578
01:37:08,149 --> 01:37:05,520
show when he was here in christchurch in

2579
01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:08,159
new zealand and doing the 7.1 sound

2580
01:37:12,390 --> 01:37:10,880
surround sound oh cool so that's a

2581
01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:12,400
little claim to fame but i mean i've

2582
01:37:16,310 --> 01:37:14,480
worked with some fairly big shows but

2583
01:37:18,149 --> 01:37:16,320
you just you work as a tech as a systems

2584
01:37:20,629 --> 01:37:18,159
engineer you don't get to meet the bands

2585
01:37:23,109 --> 01:37:20,639
you know what that's like yeah david

2586
01:37:25,430 --> 01:37:23,119
gilmour is my favorite guitarist i think

2587
01:37:28,229 --> 01:37:25,440
oh yes buy a long shot same here but

2588
01:37:32,070 --> 01:37:28,239
then again hey why not

2589
01:37:33,669 --> 01:37:32,080
redefines tasty and elegant

2590
01:37:35,109 --> 01:37:33,679
anyway we've turned us into a music show

2591
01:37:37,669 --> 01:37:35,119
so it's the powering the classic music

2592
01:37:39,270 --> 01:37:37,679
very easily good

2593
01:37:41,109 --> 01:37:39,280
sorry gene

2594
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:41,119
therefore it's not power cast but

2595
01:37:45,910 --> 01:37:43,440
paratune sue you want to get into our

2596
01:37:48,790 --> 01:37:45,920
musical discussion at all uh no i'm

2597
01:37:51,669 --> 01:37:48,800
going to recuse myself on that thank you

2598
01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:51,679
randall choose recuse isn't that oh

2599
01:37:55,910 --> 01:37:54,480
she's a she must be a lawyer so a few in

2600
01:37:58,790 --> 01:37:55,920
our family randall

2601
01:38:01,590 --> 01:37:58,800
so you don't play an instrument then sue

2602
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:01,600
i i used to play flute i used to play

2603
01:38:06,070 --> 01:38:03,679
folk music um

2604
01:38:07,030 --> 01:38:06,080
i used to listen to prague rock bands

2605
01:38:10,070 --> 01:38:07,040
yeah

2606
01:38:14,310 --> 01:38:10,080
so you used to play a flute did you say

2607
01:38:16,629 --> 01:38:14,320
yeah flute and wooden flute british folk

2608
01:38:18,390 --> 01:38:16,639
it's amazing how many participants in

2609
01:38:19,990 --> 01:38:18,400
the paracast actually do play an

2610
01:38:22,390 --> 01:38:20,000
instrument yeah

2611
01:38:25,109 --> 01:38:22,400
or or that are involved uh you know

2612
01:38:27,510 --> 01:38:25,119
fairly deeply in into the subject of

2613
01:38:29,270 --> 01:38:27,520
ufos and in the paranormal a lot of

2614
01:38:31,590 --> 01:38:29,280
people are musicians

2615
01:38:32,790 --> 01:38:31,600
linda moulton howe even

2616
01:38:34,550 --> 01:38:32,800
that's crazy

2617
01:38:36,950 --> 01:38:34,560
she is that she plays an instrument

2618
01:38:37,910 --> 01:38:36,960
chris oh yeah oh yeah she's a keyboard

2619
01:38:40,390 --> 01:38:37,920
player

2620
01:38:42,830 --> 01:38:40,400
oh wow in fact i think she did the the

2621
01:38:46,149 --> 01:38:42,840
music for strange harvest if i'm not

2622
01:38:49,750 --> 01:38:46,159
mistaken how's your record doing

2623
01:38:52,550 --> 01:38:49,760
chris which one your latest release

2624
01:38:55,430 --> 01:38:52,560
uh i haven't even checked i'm getting

2625
01:38:56,550 --> 01:38:55,440
great response to it it's

2626
01:38:58,790 --> 01:38:56,560
again i

2627
01:39:00,709 --> 01:38:58,800
did not produce it i was not involved in

2628
01:39:02,070 --> 01:39:00,719
the in the mixing there was a lot of

2629
01:39:03,750 --> 01:39:02,080
things about it that i'm not really

2630
01:39:05,830 --> 01:39:03,760
happy with

2631
01:39:08,709 --> 01:39:05,840
and it's been decided that for our next

2632
01:39:10,149 --> 01:39:08,719
album um i will be producing it so i'm

2633
01:39:12,310 --> 01:39:10,159
looking forward to that i've got you

2634
01:39:15,189 --> 01:39:12,320
know some some alpha males in the band

2635
01:39:17,189 --> 01:39:15,199
so it's going to be interesting but uh

2636
01:39:19,109 --> 01:39:17,199
but some of my comments have now been

2637
01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:19,119
understood you know of course the things

2638
01:39:23,830 --> 01:39:21,520
mastered and it's already been uh

2639
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:23,840
manufactured you know our first several

2640
01:39:27,990 --> 01:39:26,400
thousand have been you know made so

2641
01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:28,000
it's a kind of water under the bridge

2642
01:39:31,910 --> 01:39:30,719
but um i wrote up a list of points and

2643
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:31,920
and said look

2644
01:39:34,629 --> 01:39:33,440
you guys just

2645
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:34,639
you know you're too attached to your

2646
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:36,960
parts you gotta listen to the piece you

2647
01:39:39,350 --> 01:39:38,400
know whatever which one we're talking

2648
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:39,360
about

2649
01:39:43,910 --> 01:39:41,760
you know as as a

2650
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:43,920
in its totality and and

2651
01:39:47,830 --> 01:39:45,760
you know these songs have to have air in

2652
01:39:49,270 --> 01:39:47,840
them you have to allow them to breathe

2653
01:39:50,870 --> 01:39:49,280
and the songs that really work on the

2654
01:39:53,030 --> 01:39:50,880
album are the ones where the you have

2655
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:53,040
the least amount of instrumentation and

2656
01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:55,280
uh there's one song called simple and

2657
01:39:59,030 --> 01:39:57,280
and it's the only song with vocals and

2658
01:40:01,669 --> 01:39:59,040
and gonzo the drummer wrote it and he

2659
01:40:03,430 --> 01:40:01,679
goes keep it simple and then he goes

2660
01:40:05,189 --> 01:40:03,440
into like five eight time and seven

2661
01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:05,199
eight time and then goes back to a

2662
01:40:10,310 --> 01:40:07,280
straight four four time and it's like

2663
01:40:12,390 --> 01:40:10,320
i don't know it's just something

2664
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:12,400
you know kind of strange about that

2665
01:40:16,070 --> 01:40:14,159
maybe you need to bring in an outside

2666
01:40:18,629 --> 01:40:16,080
producer

2667
01:40:20,390 --> 01:40:18,639
well that's kind of what i would be um

2668
01:40:22,149 --> 01:40:20,400
but uh there there i don't think there's

2669
01:40:25,109 --> 01:40:22,159
anybody that can handle the kind of mix

2670
01:40:26,310 --> 01:40:25,119
of instrumentation and ideas

2671
01:40:27,990 --> 01:40:26,320
that we have

2672
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:28,000
there probably is but we couldn't afford

2673
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:28,170
them

2674
01:40:33,189 --> 01:40:30,960
[Laughter]

2675
01:40:35,350 --> 01:40:33,199
this is progressive instrumental native

2676
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:35,360
american rock

2677
01:40:37,189 --> 01:40:36,400
wow

2678
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:37,199
so

2679
01:40:40,149 --> 01:40:38,880
you know when it comes to my stuff

2680
01:40:41,510 --> 01:40:40,159
that's a whole different thing i haven't

2681
01:40:44,550 --> 01:40:41,520
really tried

2682
01:40:45,350 --> 01:40:44,560
promoting my uh my solo album uh which

2683
01:40:46,950 --> 01:40:45,360
is

2684
01:40:48,550 --> 01:40:46,960
a bunch of leftover grooves that i've

2685
01:40:50,950 --> 01:40:48,560
been collecting that you know all the

2686
01:40:52,790 --> 01:40:50,960
way back to the mid 80s that um i

2687
01:40:54,390 --> 01:40:52,800
whipped out cleaned up

2688
01:40:57,750 --> 01:40:54,400
supplemented a few things here and there

2689
01:40:59,990 --> 01:40:57,760
and then added uh evps and uh parrots

2690
01:41:02,629 --> 01:41:00,000
and aztec death whistles industrial

2691
01:41:04,629 --> 01:41:02,639
sounds and all sorts of uh interesting

2692
01:41:08,070 --> 01:41:04,639
elements on top of that kind of as in

2693
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:08,080
place of vocals and um i i do plan to do

2694
01:41:12,070 --> 01:41:09,840
a bit of a push on this once i get my

2695
01:41:15,109 --> 01:41:12,080
contract signed with the record company

2696
01:41:16,950 --> 01:41:15,119
um but um i i might just not even sign

2697
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:16,960
it and go ahead and release it myself it

2698
01:41:21,750 --> 01:41:18,960
hasn't been uh it's available for

2699
01:41:25,270 --> 01:41:21,760
download but it's not available

2700
01:41:27,990 --> 01:41:25,280
in um they want to do a release in a um

2701
01:41:30,550 --> 01:41:28,000
in a thumb drive um kind of a musical

2702
01:41:32,550 --> 01:41:30,560
album thumb drive release

2703
01:41:34,550 --> 01:41:32,560
never seen that before

2704
01:41:35,590 --> 01:41:34,560
what's the name of that one chris uh

2705
01:41:42,070 --> 01:41:35,600
medea

2706
01:41:43,990 --> 01:41:42,080
that would have thrown people off so i

2707
01:41:45,109 --> 01:41:44,000
just kind of named all the songs based

2708
01:41:46,629 --> 01:41:45,119
on the uh

2709
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:46,639
the myth of medea and jason and the

2710
01:41:50,550 --> 01:41:49,440
argonauts and and uh

2711
01:41:52,870 --> 01:41:50,560
and then just

2712
01:41:54,709 --> 01:41:52,880
you know had my way with it the 30 aztec

2713
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:54,719
death whistles on the one song it's a

2714
01:41:59,030 --> 01:41:56,639
funk groove from you know kind of acid

2715
01:42:01,189 --> 01:41:59,040
funky from the 80s and i i put all these

2716
01:42:02,950 --> 01:42:01,199
aztec death whistles and clanking chains

2717
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:02,960
and stuff and it's

2718
01:42:06,229 --> 01:42:04,800
it's pretty spooky

2719
01:42:08,070 --> 01:42:06,239
that sounds great

2720
01:42:09,990 --> 01:42:08,080
you posted um some links on the power

2721
01:42:11,270 --> 01:42:10,000
cast um i did yeah

2722
01:42:14,070 --> 01:42:11,280
yeah how did we listen it's really nice

2723
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:14,080
stuff so yeah no big thumbs up mate yeah

2724
01:42:17,590 --> 01:42:15,760
thank you well it's you know again it's

2725
01:42:19,109 --> 01:42:17,600
just it's just a lot of noodling nothing

2726
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:19,119
really serious

2727
01:42:23,350 --> 01:42:21,360
but you know i figured

2728
01:42:25,030 --> 01:42:23,360
i got the black raven album coming out

2729
01:42:26,390 --> 01:42:25,040
why not

2730
01:42:27,830 --> 01:42:26,400
have something else

2731
01:42:28,950 --> 01:42:27,840
so anyway getting back to our subject

2732
01:42:31,990 --> 01:42:28,960
matter i'm not sure how much time we

2733
01:42:33,510 --> 01:42:32,000
have left um we have about three minutes

2734
01:42:35,910 --> 01:42:33,520
for this segment and then we have four

2735
01:42:37,750 --> 01:42:35,920
more okay uh he you know we were talking

2736
01:42:40,709 --> 01:42:37,760
about um about

2737
01:42:43,270 --> 01:42:40,719
potential haunted site phenomena uh the

2738
01:42:44,629 --> 01:42:43,280
psychological nature of ufo abductions

2739
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:44,639
one thing that we've been talking about

2740
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:47,040
from time to time is having a um a bona

2741
01:42:50,950 --> 01:42:48,880
fide real psychic

2742
01:42:52,149 --> 01:42:50,960
on the show i have yet to make that

2743
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:52,159
happen but

2744
01:42:56,310 --> 01:42:54,000
have any one of you ever had an

2745
01:42:58,550 --> 01:42:56,320
experience with a psychic and do you

2746
01:43:00,550 --> 01:42:58,560
think that they're all frauds genuine

2747
01:43:02,550 --> 01:43:00,560
sometimes cheating sometimes correct is

2748
01:43:04,550 --> 01:43:02,560
another question from poulterwurst in

2749
01:43:06,470 --> 01:43:04,560
germany sue why don't you take that

2750
01:43:08,629 --> 01:43:06,480
first

2751
01:43:10,629 --> 01:43:08,639
i haven't really had any experiences

2752
01:43:12,629 --> 01:43:10,639
with this psychic i've been taking a

2753
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:12,639
pre-online

2754
01:43:16,870 --> 01:43:14,880
course in parapsychology which has led

2755
01:43:19,830 --> 01:43:16,880
me to read a lot of different books

2756
01:43:21,910 --> 01:43:19,840
about people who do study psychics

2757
01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:21,920
and i actually i don't have a problem

2758
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:23,600
believing that there's something there

2759
01:43:26,390 --> 01:43:25,520
in some cases

2760
01:43:28,790 --> 01:43:26,400
but

2761
01:43:31,350 --> 01:43:28,800
it's not something

2762
01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:31,360
i'm particularly familiar with i've had

2763
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:34,480
a couple experiences myself of a pre

2764
01:43:39,990 --> 01:43:36,400
cognitive nature

2765
01:43:43,430 --> 01:43:40,000
um just kind of out of the blue random

2766
01:43:45,030 --> 01:43:43,440
so i believe that can happen

2767
01:43:48,070 --> 01:43:45,040
some of the other stuff that you see on

2768
01:43:50,470 --> 01:43:48,080
tv uh i'm not so sure about some seems

2769
01:43:52,870 --> 01:43:50,480
credible some is clearly not credible so

2770
01:43:54,629 --> 01:43:52,880
i don't know

2771
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:54,639
that long island psychic i think is

2772
01:44:00,310 --> 01:43:57,840
being sued or something for fraud

2773
01:44:02,390 --> 01:44:00,320
and of course you know we all know about

2774
01:44:05,270 --> 01:44:02,400
sylvia brown and

2775
01:44:07,590 --> 01:44:05,280
and uh sean david morton

2776
01:44:11,030 --> 01:44:07,600
a classic example of someone that uh

2777
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:11,040
claims to be a wall street psychic uh

2778
01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:12,960
and was able to build about six million

2779
01:44:17,270 --> 01:44:14,880
dollars out of uh

2780
01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:17,280
true believer clients and uh is now in

2781
01:44:21,109 --> 01:44:20,080
jail he finally uh exhausted all his

2782
01:44:21,910 --> 01:44:21,119
legal

2783
01:44:24,310 --> 01:44:21,920
uh

2784
01:44:26,370 --> 01:44:24,320
recourse and he and his wife are now i

2785
01:44:27,910 --> 01:44:26,380
think physically in jail

2786
01:44:29,990 --> 01:44:27,920
[Music]

2787
01:44:32,790 --> 01:44:30,000
well that's good at least

2788
01:44:35,030 --> 01:44:32,800
we have poetic justice

2789
01:44:36,790 --> 01:44:35,040
ouch

2790
01:44:39,189 --> 01:44:36,800
now back in the early days of the power

2791
01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:39,199
cast we had sean david morton on the

2792
01:44:41,830 --> 01:44:40,000
show

2793
01:44:44,470 --> 01:44:41,840
one or two times

2794
01:44:47,109 --> 01:44:44,480
and it's very strange here that pretty

2795
01:44:48,870 --> 01:44:47,119
much every single thing he said about

2796
01:44:50,950 --> 01:44:48,880
the people he knew

2797
01:44:53,350 --> 01:44:50,960
about the predictions he made

2798
01:44:55,350 --> 01:44:53,360
everything he said

2799
01:44:57,590 --> 01:44:55,360
turned out to be wrong

2800
01:45:00,310 --> 01:44:57,600
now i don't claim to have any psychic

2801
01:45:01,990 --> 01:45:00,320
abilities i didn't say psycho i don't

2802
01:45:04,229 --> 01:45:02,000
claim to have any psychic abilities

2803
01:45:06,950 --> 01:45:04,239
whatever but i can tell you my batting

2804
01:45:08,790 --> 01:45:06,960
average would be far higher than his i

2805
01:45:11,270 --> 01:45:08,800
must be in the wrong business this is

2806
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2861
01:47:52,870 --> 01:47:49,189
welcome back to the paracast the gold

2862
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standard of paranormal radio

2863
01:47:57,450 --> 01:47:54,159
and now

2864
01:48:01,030 --> 01:47:57,460
here's jane steinberg

2865
01:48:06,229 --> 01:48:03,830
with gene and chris on the power cast

2866
01:48:07,109 --> 01:48:06,239
we're exploring all sorts of paranormal

2867
01:48:11,510 --> 01:48:07,119
things

2868
01:48:12,550 --> 01:48:11,520
and whatnot especially the whatnot with

2869
01:48:16,950 --> 01:48:12,560
sue

2870
01:48:19,430 --> 01:48:16,960
and stoneheart and ufology three of our

2871
01:48:20,950 --> 01:48:19,440
prolific posters on the power cast so

2872
01:48:22,950 --> 01:48:20,960
many peas there

2873
01:48:24,629 --> 01:48:22,960
it's like peter piper and the pickled

2874
01:48:26,870 --> 01:48:24,639
peppers

2875
01:48:29,750 --> 01:48:26,880
i like that chris some more questions

2876
01:48:32,310 --> 01:48:29,760
please boomerang has um some questions

2877
01:48:35,510 --> 01:48:32,320
that we've already kind of covered about

2878
01:48:37,030 --> 01:48:35,520
hypnosis as a memory retrieval tool

2879
01:48:38,629 --> 01:48:37,040
he does have a couple of interesting

2880
01:48:43,109 --> 01:48:38,639
questions here

2881
01:48:45,750 --> 01:48:43,119
relating to research methods in ufology

2882
01:48:47,669 --> 01:48:45,760
so he's wondering do you see research

2883
01:48:49,750 --> 01:48:47,679
methods in ufology changing from

2884
01:48:51,189 --> 01:48:49,760
traditional approaches based on observer

2885
01:48:53,350 --> 01:48:51,199
object duality

2886
01:48:54,950 --> 01:48:53,360
nuts and bolts machines in the sky to

2887
01:48:57,350 --> 01:48:54,960
something in which the experiencer plays

2888
01:48:59,990 --> 01:48:57,360
an essential and very personal role

2889
01:49:02,470 --> 01:49:00,000
in the creation or co-creation i i would

2890
01:49:03,990 --> 01:49:02,480
say of a phys physical ufological event

2891
01:49:05,750 --> 01:49:04,000
now we were talking about this a little

2892
01:49:07,590 --> 01:49:05,760
bit but but now we're going to get into

2893
01:49:08,390 --> 01:49:07,600
it a little bit more here

2894
01:49:09,270 --> 01:49:08,400
what

2895
01:49:11,990 --> 01:49:09,280
role

2896
01:49:13,910 --> 01:49:12,000
does the experience or play in causality

2897
01:49:15,350 --> 01:49:13,920
in terms of is this a co-creative

2898
01:49:17,830 --> 01:49:15,360
process or

2899
01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:17,840
is it is there a definite break between

2900
01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:20,400
observer and uh observation you know

2901
01:49:24,310 --> 01:49:22,560
what what the observers are observing

2902
01:49:26,149 --> 01:49:24,320
who wants to grab that one

2903
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:26,159
well i would say that there are those

2904
01:49:29,430 --> 01:49:28,080
people who claim to be able to summon

2905
01:49:31,669 --> 01:49:29,440
ufos

2906
01:49:33,990 --> 01:49:31,679
so if that's true

2907
01:49:35,030 --> 01:49:34,000
then you'd have

2908
01:49:37,990 --> 01:49:35,040
a role

2909
01:49:40,950 --> 01:49:38,000
where the observer and the experiencer

2910
01:49:43,669 --> 01:49:40,960
play a role in manifesting the event

2911
01:49:44,709 --> 01:49:43,679
itself and hypothetically we could have

2912
01:49:47,189 --> 01:49:44,719
someone

2913
01:49:47,910 --> 01:49:47,199
else who is impartial study what's going

2914
01:49:52,149 --> 01:49:47,920
on

2915
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:52,159
interestingly i attended a group meeting

2916
01:49:56,550 --> 01:49:55,440
here just last weekend and uh what

2917
01:49:58,790 --> 01:49:56,560
happened

2918
01:50:00,709 --> 01:49:58,800
is i met a fellow who claims to be able

2919
01:50:02,790 --> 01:50:00,719
to do this and we actually went out for

2920
01:50:04,950 --> 01:50:02,800
a drive to look around and

2921
01:50:07,430 --> 01:50:04,960
we ended up at a reservoir and under

2922
01:50:09,030 --> 01:50:07,440
some power lines at one point and just

2923
01:50:11,350 --> 01:50:09,040
had a look at the stars and at the sky

2924
01:50:12,709 --> 01:50:11,360
to see what was going on to see if maybe

2925
01:50:15,030 --> 01:50:12,719
something would happen and of course

2926
01:50:17,109 --> 01:50:15,040
nothing happened but

2927
01:50:19,109 --> 01:50:17,119
i i'm of the opinion that we do actually

2928
01:50:20,470 --> 01:50:19,119
need to try different things before we

2929
01:50:21,270 --> 01:50:20,480
write them off

2930
01:50:22,709 --> 01:50:21,280
well

2931
01:50:23,669 --> 01:50:22,719
you know you say that there's been some

2932
01:50:26,149 --> 01:50:23,679
people that have been able to

2933
01:50:27,430 --> 01:50:26,159
demonstrate so many ufos um

2934
01:50:30,550 --> 01:50:27,440
scratching my head trying to remember

2935
01:50:32,070 --> 01:50:30,560
any that haven't had a lot of clout of

2936
01:50:33,830 --> 01:50:32,080
suspicion hanging over their heads like

2937
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:33,840
prophet yahweh and

2938
01:50:37,990 --> 01:50:36,400
steven greer and

2939
01:50:39,189 --> 01:50:38,000
there's not many that you can really

2940
01:50:41,750 --> 01:50:39,199
point to

2941
01:50:43,189 --> 01:50:41,760
uh in my mind i mean correct me if i'm

2942
01:50:44,470 --> 01:50:43,199
wrong but in my uh

2943
01:50:46,070 --> 01:50:44,480
you know i got a pretty good memory and

2944
01:50:47,830 --> 01:50:46,080
i can't really remember any that have

2945
01:50:49,830 --> 01:50:47,840
been inexplicable there's that one lady

2946
01:50:52,709 --> 01:50:49,840
i think in vancouver that was supposedly

2947
01:50:55,270 --> 01:50:52,719
able to photograph ufos and light

2948
01:50:57,750 --> 01:50:55,280
phenomenon at will but uh does anyone

2949
01:50:59,990 --> 01:50:57,760
recall someone that's been under some

2950
01:51:02,470 --> 01:51:00,000
sort of rigorous scientific observation

2951
01:51:05,030 --> 01:51:02,480
while they claim to do this uh

2952
01:51:07,270 --> 01:51:05,040
any takers on that no i i don't know

2953
01:51:09,189 --> 01:51:07,280
anything along those lines myself chris

2954
01:51:10,390 --> 01:51:09,199
and as far as like traditional methods i

2955
01:51:11,910 --> 01:51:10,400
think traditional methods will probably

2956
01:51:14,070 --> 01:51:11,920
carry on as they are because well

2957
01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:14,080
scientific method we need to have some

2958
01:51:17,750 --> 01:51:15,760
physical evidence for the scientific

2959
01:51:19,830 --> 01:51:17,760
community will ever take any of this

2960
01:51:21,830 --> 01:51:19,840
seriously at all so

2961
01:51:23,510 --> 01:51:21,840
that's my opinion i had an interesting

2962
01:51:25,189 --> 01:51:23,520
experience i think it was steven grier's

2963
01:51:27,270 --> 01:51:25,199
second or third time doing his

2964
01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:27,280
ambassador to the universe training in

2965
01:51:31,910 --> 01:51:30,080
the san luis valley uh in crestone and

2966
01:51:34,950 --> 01:51:31,920
the night that they did their big you

2967
01:51:37,109 --> 01:51:34,960
know coherent thought sequencing session

2968
01:51:38,790 --> 01:51:37,119
we had sightings all around the valley

2969
01:51:40,790 --> 01:51:38,800
everywhere but crestone

2970
01:51:42,550 --> 01:51:40,800
i suggested to him a couple of days

2971
01:51:44,540 --> 01:51:42,560
later that maybe he'd give out a proper

2972
01:51:46,550 --> 01:51:44,550
address so they knew where to go

2973
01:51:48,470 --> 01:51:46,560
[Laughter]

2974
01:51:50,390 --> 01:51:48,480
he didn't really take that suggestion uh

2975
01:51:52,310 --> 01:51:50,400
to heart um

2976
01:51:54,149 --> 01:51:52,320
but no seriously we had six or seven

2977
01:51:55,510 --> 01:51:54,159
reports on the other side of the valley

2978
01:51:56,870 --> 01:51:55,520
the north of the valley in the south of

2979
01:52:00,870 --> 01:51:56,880
the valley but nothing on the east side

2980
01:52:04,310 --> 01:52:00,880
of the valley i found that quite um

2981
01:52:06,149 --> 01:52:04,320
yeah exactly

2982
01:52:06,950 --> 01:52:06,159
yeah somebody's playing somebody i'm not

2983
01:52:08,950 --> 01:52:06,960
sure

2984
01:52:10,550 --> 01:52:08,960
you know who's playing who but

2985
01:52:12,550 --> 01:52:10,560
okay just want to tackle that that

2986
01:52:14,390 --> 01:52:12,560
question about what role the experiencer

2987
01:52:17,270 --> 01:52:14,400
plays in in a possible co-creative

2988
01:52:20,629 --> 01:52:17,280
process yeah i'll jump in because my

2989
01:52:22,550 --> 01:52:20,639
training was as a sociologist i i always

2990
01:52:25,030 --> 01:52:22,560
feel like i have to argue for the fact

2991
01:52:28,070 --> 01:52:25,040
that there is a way to do science on

2992
01:52:30,870 --> 01:52:28,080
human subjects using qualitative methods

2993
01:52:32,950 --> 01:52:30,880
or kind of mushy human science methods

2994
01:52:36,070 --> 01:52:32,960
and it doesn't mean you have to throw

2995
01:52:38,229 --> 01:52:36,080
objectivity validity replicability out

2996
01:52:41,270 --> 01:52:38,239
the window you just have to adapt your

2997
01:52:42,310 --> 01:52:41,280
methods and i i think the kind of 50

2998
01:52:45,109 --> 01:52:42,320
aries

2999
01:52:48,070 --> 01:52:45,119
50s era origination of the whole ufo

3000
01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:48,080
paradigm has placed emphasis on nuts and

3001
01:52:53,030 --> 01:52:51,360
bolts approaches to research and the ufo

3002
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:53,040
community should really

3003
01:52:58,550 --> 01:52:55,760
kind of brush up on their human science

3004
01:53:01,030 --> 01:52:58,560
and social science research methods

3005
01:53:02,870 --> 01:53:01,040
i think they'd be usefully deployed here

3006
01:53:05,510 --> 01:53:02,880
that's an excellent point

3007
01:53:08,229 --> 01:53:05,520
absolutely fantastic totally agree so

3008
01:53:09,430 --> 01:53:08,239
maybe expand on that a little bit more

3009
01:53:12,070 --> 01:53:09,440
if you can

3010
01:53:14,149 --> 01:53:12,080
well okay so for instance in sociology

3011
01:53:16,390 --> 01:53:14,159
one way of researching something might

3012
01:53:19,189 --> 01:53:16,400
be participant observation research

3013
01:53:21,830 --> 01:53:19,199
where you're a member of a group um

3014
01:53:25,189 --> 01:53:21,840
you're taking notes on what the group is

3015
01:53:28,070 --> 01:53:25,199
doing on your own emotional responses

3016
01:53:30,870 --> 01:53:28,080
you're also gathering objective data

3017
01:53:33,189 --> 01:53:30,880
maybe documents or videotape about what

3018
01:53:35,669 --> 01:53:33,199
the group is doing and then

3019
01:53:39,350 --> 01:53:35,679
in in the data analysis phase you step

3020
01:53:42,629 --> 01:53:39,360
back and kind of objectively assess and

3021
01:53:45,669 --> 01:53:42,639
analyze your data taken into account for

3022
01:53:48,709 --> 01:53:45,679
example your own emotional reactions and

3023
01:53:51,189 --> 01:53:48,719
adjusting for any bias so a bias is

3024
01:53:53,669 --> 01:53:51,199
assumed you try to define where it's

3025
01:53:56,310 --> 01:53:53,679
coming from how to account for it and

3026
01:53:58,629 --> 01:53:56,320
how to not let it get in the way of an

3027
01:53:59,589 --> 01:53:58,639
overall analysis that's just kind of off

3028
01:54:02,070 --> 01:53:59,599
the cuff

3029
01:54:04,310 --> 01:54:02,080
description of one approach survey

3030
01:54:06,229 --> 01:54:04,320
research is another

3031
01:54:08,550 --> 01:54:06,239
methods in survey research are fairly

3032
01:54:11,669 --> 01:54:08,560
well established fairly well known

3033
01:54:12,790 --> 01:54:11,679
and that that can be used and historical

3034
01:54:15,510 --> 01:54:12,800
research

3035
01:54:17,270 --> 01:54:15,520
uh so yeah stuff like that i don't want

3036
01:54:19,830 --> 01:54:17,280
to go on too much about that stuff

3037
01:54:21,189 --> 01:54:19,840
though who wants to chime in i was just

3038
01:54:22,629 --> 01:54:21,199
going to say that was really excellent

3039
01:54:24,790 --> 01:54:22,639
because um and there's one thing about

3040
01:54:26,709 --> 01:54:24,800
going to the forums and there's always

3041
01:54:28,310 --> 01:54:26,719
excellent posts exactly like that you

3042
01:54:29,830 --> 01:54:28,320
see i'm a nuts and bolts person and

3043
01:54:31,510 --> 01:54:29,840
that's the way i approach things and

3044
01:54:32,950 --> 01:54:31,520
sue's just pointed out well there's a

3045
01:54:35,189 --> 01:54:32,960
there's different ways of looking at

3046
01:54:37,589 --> 01:54:35,199
this and studying this phenomenon which

3047
01:54:38,950 --> 01:54:37,599
of course my paradigm is entirely in a

3048
01:54:41,189 --> 01:54:38,960
physics realm etc that's the way i'm

3049
01:54:42,950 --> 01:54:41,199
going to look at things so this

3050
01:54:44,229 --> 01:54:42,960
crossover between disciplines is

3051
01:54:46,070 --> 01:54:44,239
brilliant because you can look at the

3052
01:54:48,229 --> 01:54:46,080
whole phenomenon in different ways and

3053
01:54:49,589 --> 01:54:48,239
data gather in different ways maybe

3054
01:54:51,750 --> 01:54:49,599
that's the sort of amalgam we actually

3055
01:54:54,149 --> 01:54:51,760
need to develop so i know fantastic

3056
01:54:56,229 --> 01:54:54,159
answer there sue thank you sure well

3057
01:54:57,189 --> 01:54:56,239
tyler koch john and jeff ritzman have a

3058
01:54:59,830 --> 01:54:57,199
uh

3059
01:55:02,550 --> 01:54:59,840
a survey project going on that is coming

3060
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from exactly that posture of looking at

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things

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01:55:07,109 --> 01:55:05,760
as as well-roundedly as possible in a

3063
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sociological

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sense background

3065
01:55:12,870 --> 01:55:10,960
you know belief

3066
01:55:15,030 --> 01:55:12,880
these types of things and one thing that

3067
01:55:16,870 --> 01:55:15,040
they've come up with some preliminary

3068
01:55:18,790 --> 01:55:16,880
trending that they see

3069
01:55:21,109 --> 01:55:18,800
actually supports what daryl sims has

3070
01:55:23,990 --> 01:55:21,119
been saying for years oddly enough

3071
01:55:26,229 --> 01:55:24,000
that a large percentage of people that

3072
01:55:28,629 --> 01:55:26,239
claim to have contact experiences or

3073
01:55:30,870 --> 01:55:28,639
some sort of abduction experience have a

3074
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combination of cherokee and

3075
01:55:39,430 --> 01:55:37,830
genetic background

3076
01:55:42,629 --> 01:55:39,440
which i find very intriguing because

3077
01:55:46,229 --> 01:55:43,830
so

3078
01:55:47,990 --> 01:55:46,239
it's only through asking you know a

3079
01:55:49,109 --> 01:55:48,000
well-thought-out series of questions and

3080
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they have

3081
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quite a number of questions i forget the

3082
01:55:55,669 --> 01:55:53,440
total number but it's i remember

3083
01:55:58,470 --> 01:55:55,679
reading the synopsis of the project and

3084
01:56:00,629 --> 01:55:58,480
being very very impressed with how how

3085
01:56:03,990 --> 01:56:00,639
all encompassing their their approach is

3086
01:56:08,070 --> 01:56:04,000
and in this type of of data i think is

3087
01:56:09,990 --> 01:56:08,080
is focusing back on the experiencer

3088
01:56:13,270 --> 01:56:10,000
and getting off the nuts and bolts of

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01:56:15,669 --> 01:56:13,280
the experience and and maybe putting the

3090
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focus on why this particular individual

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at this particular point in their life

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or in in the time frame uh and and what

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01:56:24,229 --> 01:56:21,679
does that

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individual share with other people that

3095
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also have

3096
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what are very rare but uh i think fairly

3097
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reasonably um well documented

3098
01:56:35,430 --> 01:56:33,040
experiences in in terms of the

3099
01:56:37,270 --> 01:56:35,440
phenomenon being being real i think

3100
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abductions do happen

3101
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i think there's a lot less of them as i

3102
01:56:42,229 --> 01:56:41,280
think dave pointed out

3103
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than

3104
01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:44,960
we might think or bud hopkins thought or

3105
01:56:49,510 --> 01:56:47,360
david jacobs thinks but i think that

3106
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there are there is a real

3107
01:56:53,990 --> 01:56:51,679
mystery at the core of this phenomenon

3108
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and i think we need to put the onus back

3109
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on the researcher to look at the

3110
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experiencer and i've been saying for 22

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years that

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the experience here is more important

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than the experience in these things and

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this is something that came out very

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elegantly

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in the presentation the dialogue between

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uh lee spiegel and and jack valet

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that hey we really should be you know

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having these experiences happen to them

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we've got uh as i said uh some really

3256
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good uh questions here

3257
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do you think the presence of skeptical

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people can effectively block paranormal

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events or psychic abilities is there an

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experiment or effect as in para para

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psychological experiments showing

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significantly less positive results when

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the experimenter doesn't believe they

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can happen you mean bad vibes right well

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yeah in other words can the you know if

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if uh phil class was sitting there and

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you know standing there with his walker

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or bill nye with his bad bow tie

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or uh

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pen

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you know trying to hide the uh

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whoever his uh

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valet is behind the curtain is standing

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there and you're trying to do a a you

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know just a regular pair of

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psychological tests of guessing the

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cards do you think their presence would

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in any way

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alter the

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abilities of the person being

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experimented upon

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quite possibly this uh

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meetup group that i attended the

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organizer interestingly also uh has

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a native canadian blood in him claims

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02:03:59,350 --> 02:03:56,719
that when he's out and in with the right

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02:04:01,350 --> 02:03:59,360
people that given enough time that

3288
02:04:03,750 --> 02:04:01,360
something will show up but he says every

3289
02:04:05,510 --> 02:04:03,760
time he's taken out anyone who's wanted

3290
02:04:08,310 --> 02:04:05,520
to study it and

3291
02:04:11,589 --> 02:04:08,320
be more objective or skeptical nothing

3292
02:04:14,310 --> 02:04:11,599
has happened there is experimental data

3293
02:04:17,910 --> 02:04:14,320
on this um i think it's a fairly well

3294
02:04:18,709 --> 02:04:17,920
and well-known thing in parapsychology

3295
02:04:20,950 --> 02:04:18,719
where

3296
02:04:23,589 --> 02:04:20,960
the presence of

3297
02:04:26,950 --> 02:04:23,599
people who are skeptical actually

3298
02:04:28,550 --> 02:04:26,960
results in significantly lower

3299
02:04:31,430 --> 02:04:28,560
psi phenomena

3300
02:04:33,109 --> 02:04:31,440
and the presence of believers results in

3301
02:04:36,070 --> 02:04:33,119
significantly higher

3302
02:04:39,189 --> 02:04:36,080
levels of side phenomena than would just

3303
02:04:41,430 --> 02:04:39,199
chance dictate so it's i think it's

3304
02:04:43,990 --> 02:04:41,440
called the sheep goat effect and it's

3305
02:04:46,310 --> 02:04:44,000
probably written about like probably

3306
02:04:48,070 --> 02:04:46,320
some of dean raiden's work references it

3307
02:04:49,189 --> 02:04:48,080
because i think it's a fairly well-known

3308
02:04:51,750 --> 02:04:49,199
study

3309
02:04:53,030 --> 02:04:51,760
now that's often used by skeptics as an

3310
02:04:55,350 --> 02:04:53,040
excuse saying

3311
02:04:57,430 --> 02:04:55,360
okay well the reason

3312
02:04:59,910 --> 02:04:57,440
that they can't duplicate it with we

3313
02:05:01,669 --> 02:04:59,920
skeptics being here is because it's fake

3314
02:05:04,310 --> 02:05:01,679
it doesn't exist once the skeptics are

3315
02:05:06,950 --> 02:05:04,320
here and can catch them in their fakery

3316
02:05:08,550 --> 02:05:06,960
they can't produce the powers that they

3317
02:05:10,310 --> 02:05:08,560
claim to possess

3318
02:05:11,589 --> 02:05:10,320
but the point is that this the effect

3319
02:05:13,189 --> 02:05:11,599
the skeptics

3320
02:05:15,589 --> 02:05:13,199
are having in

3321
02:05:18,390 --> 02:05:15,599
depressing the psy levels

3322
02:05:20,709 --> 02:05:18,400
is uh not due to chance

3323
02:05:22,470 --> 02:05:20,719
so in other words it's statistically

3324
02:05:24,790 --> 02:05:22,480
significant which means

3325
02:05:27,589 --> 02:05:24,800
there is a side effect it's just working

3326
02:05:30,550 --> 02:05:27,599
in the opposite direction well why not

3327
02:05:32,629 --> 02:05:30,560
put a a skeptic a wolf in sheep's

3328
02:05:33,669 --> 02:05:32,639
clothing and pretend to be a true

3329
02:05:35,830 --> 02:05:33,679
believer

3330
02:05:38,149 --> 02:05:35,840
and see what happens uh

3331
02:05:39,830 --> 02:05:38,159
you know to the unwitting person being

3332
02:05:42,790 --> 02:05:39,840
being tested

3333
02:05:45,109 --> 02:05:42,800
or the opposite you have a true believer

3334
02:05:47,830 --> 02:05:45,119
a sheep dressed up in wolf's clothing

3335
02:05:49,430 --> 02:05:47,840
and be all skeptical and and see if that

3336
02:05:51,270 --> 02:05:49,440
has any effect that that would be the

3337
02:05:52,310 --> 02:05:51,280
first thing that comes to my mind in

3338
02:05:54,709 --> 02:05:52,320
terms of

3339
02:05:57,750 --> 02:05:54,719
experimentally try to

3340
02:05:59,990 --> 02:05:57,760
pull a fast one see if it still works

3341
02:06:01,830 --> 02:06:00,000
interesting idea yeah that is an

3342
02:06:04,149 --> 02:06:01,840
interesting idea i have to admit that

3343
02:06:05,030 --> 02:06:04,159
experimental design is not my strength

3344
02:06:06,950 --> 02:06:05,040
area

3345
02:06:08,950 --> 02:06:06,960
people are doing some pretty wild

3346
02:06:11,030 --> 02:06:08,960
designs that kind of get into multiple

3347
02:06:13,030 --> 02:06:11,040
meta levels of

3348
02:06:15,109 --> 02:06:13,040
that kind of switching things around in

3349
02:06:16,950 --> 02:06:15,119
order to try to get you know really

3350
02:06:18,950 --> 02:06:16,960
rigorous results

3351
02:06:20,950 --> 02:06:18,960
but yeah there's there's disguise the

3352
02:06:24,149 --> 02:06:20,960
limit when it comes to

3353
02:06:27,430 --> 02:06:24,159
uh gaming out that kind of scenario i'm

3354
02:06:29,270 --> 02:06:27,440
always coming up with work workarounds

3355
02:06:31,350 --> 02:06:29,280
it comes to my years in alternative

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02:06:33,669 --> 02:06:31,360
housing in terms of building out of

3357
02:06:36,629 --> 02:06:33,679
straw bills and tires and

3358
02:06:37,990 --> 02:06:36,639
oftentimes you had to become very

3359
02:06:40,390 --> 02:06:38,000
what is it

3360
02:06:41,669 --> 02:06:40,400
necessity as the mother of invention you

3361
02:06:44,470 --> 02:06:41,679
know you have to come up with

3362
02:06:47,109 --> 02:06:44,480
workarounds to get her done as uh

3363
02:06:50,069 --> 02:06:47,119
as larry the cable guy would say um here

3364
02:06:52,950 --> 02:06:50,079
okay here's anyone randall you want to

3365
02:06:55,189 --> 02:06:52,960
comment on that or or dave

3366
02:06:56,229 --> 02:06:55,199
well it seems to imply that there's a

3367
02:06:58,870 --> 02:06:56,239
third

3368
02:07:01,189 --> 02:06:58,880
party involved in these so you know how

3369
02:07:03,830 --> 02:07:01,199
do we know that that third party if it

3370
02:07:04,870 --> 02:07:03,840
exists doesn't recognize that you've got

3371
02:07:06,790 --> 02:07:04,880
the

3372
02:07:08,870 --> 02:07:06,800
sheep in wolf's clothing or wolf in

3373
02:07:10,550 --> 02:07:08,880
sheep's clothing and compensates from

3374
02:07:12,470 --> 02:07:10,560
there it's

3375
02:07:14,310 --> 02:07:12,480
well that's a very good point that's why

3376
02:07:16,149 --> 02:07:14,320
you would try to attempt to do something

3377
02:07:18,149 --> 02:07:16,159
like that to ascertain

3378
02:07:21,350 --> 02:07:18,159
if there is a third party that can see

3379
02:07:23,270 --> 02:07:21,360
through any sort of subterfuge and

3380
02:07:25,750 --> 02:07:23,280
if not that's going to tell us a whole

3381
02:07:28,229 --> 02:07:25,760
boatload and if so that's going to tell

3382
02:07:30,390 --> 02:07:28,239
us another uh you know big chunk of it's

3383
02:07:32,390 --> 02:07:30,400
going to open up a whole bunch of of

3384
02:07:35,189 --> 02:07:32,400
questions and avenues

3385
02:07:37,270 --> 02:07:35,199
of investigation and approach um well it

3386
02:07:39,030 --> 02:07:37,280
also shows here whether you can sense a

3387
02:07:41,830 --> 02:07:39,040
person's skepticism

3388
02:07:42,629 --> 02:07:41,840
even if they pretend to be a believer

3389
02:07:45,109 --> 02:07:42,639
well

3390
02:07:46,149 --> 02:07:45,119
maybe we should get a good actor

3391
02:07:47,910 --> 02:07:46,159
yeah

3392
02:07:51,030 --> 02:07:47,920
someone's a method actor that really

3393
02:07:53,030 --> 02:07:51,040
immerses himself in the role

3394
02:07:54,149 --> 02:07:53,040
was it donald sutherland say don't hit

3395
02:07:55,669 --> 02:07:54,159
me with the negative waves in the

3396
02:07:58,550 --> 02:07:55,679
morning man

3397
02:08:00,709 --> 02:07:58,560
yeah yeah well the fact that uh you know

3398
02:08:02,870 --> 02:08:00,719
the skeptic on the x-files is played by

3399
02:08:04,470 --> 02:08:02,880
a believer and the uh the believer is

3400
02:08:06,149 --> 02:08:04,480
played by a skeptic i i've always

3401
02:08:07,990 --> 02:08:06,159
thought that was the

3402
02:08:08,709 --> 02:08:08,000
you know kind of a head scratcher and

3403
02:08:10,470 --> 02:08:08,719
and

3404
02:08:12,310 --> 02:08:10,480
maybe has something to do with why the

3405
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show became so popular beyond their

3406
02:08:17,350 --> 02:08:14,400
great writing and and uh you know

3407
02:08:19,350 --> 02:08:17,360
storytelling and all that but uh

3408
02:08:21,109 --> 02:08:19,360
okay here let's go on a little bit here

3409
02:08:23,830 --> 02:08:21,119
we've got uh we've got some other

3410
02:08:25,830 --> 02:08:23,840
questions um

3411
02:08:28,229 --> 02:08:25,840
okay since we're talking about psychic

3412
02:08:30,229 --> 02:08:28,239
abilities this is another good question

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from our our german poster polterhurst

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who's approaching 1 000 posts

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at

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forum.theparacast.com where if you have

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a question for our wonderful guests that

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we have on here every week you can go to

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the question bank and post your

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questions

3421
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and he's wondering uh

3422
02:08:51,830 --> 02:08:49,430
do you think some police officers

3423
02:08:53,990 --> 02:08:51,840
working with psychic detectives as

3424
02:08:56,550 --> 02:08:54,000
shown in tv programs

3425
02:08:57,830 --> 02:08:56,560
what do you think about that and

3426
02:09:00,069 --> 02:08:57,840
do you think there's anything to the

3427
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claims sometimes made by former

3428
02:09:03,589 --> 02:09:01,440
policemen

3429
02:09:05,109 --> 02:09:03,599
that this works and why aren't they

3430
02:09:08,870 --> 02:09:05,119
officially acknowledged and how come

3431
02:09:10,790 --> 02:09:08,880
skeptics say they haven't seen one case

3432
02:09:13,750 --> 02:09:10,800
where a psychic has been able to

3433
02:09:15,589 --> 02:09:13,760
identify a lost person a

3434
02:09:16,870 --> 02:09:15,599
you know a

3435
02:09:21,109 --> 02:09:16,880
weapon used in

3436
02:09:25,430 --> 02:09:23,109
who wants to grab that one we've all

3437
02:09:27,270 --> 02:09:25,440
heard the stories and i think the

3438
02:09:29,669 --> 02:09:27,280
skeptics are just in a state of denial

3439
02:09:31,350 --> 02:09:29,679
as usual there's enough stories out

3440
02:09:33,270 --> 02:09:31,360
there where

3441
02:09:37,109 --> 02:09:33,280
some sort of psychic

3442
02:09:39,430 --> 02:09:37,119
action has been taken by somebody and

3443
02:09:42,229 --> 02:09:39,440
they've gotten some kind of results it's

3444
02:09:43,830 --> 02:09:42,239
not always successful but i

3445
02:09:46,709 --> 02:09:43,840
i don't think that every story that i've

3446
02:09:49,430 --> 02:09:46,719
read about it has to be fake

3447
02:09:52,870 --> 02:09:49,440
you know robbie thomas who is a

3448
02:09:55,109 --> 02:09:52,880
a psychic who's left the public arena

3449
02:09:56,870 --> 02:09:55,119
and is now i think exclusively working

3450
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with law enforcement in canada and

3451
02:10:01,030 --> 02:09:58,400
toronto

3452
02:10:03,109 --> 02:10:01,040
i am aware of a couple of cases that uh

3453
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it was demonstrated that he actually was

3454
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instrumental in in helping police solve

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uh or the rcmp solve crimes

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subject for a book ah definitely a

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value and quality go to

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[Music]

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02:14:49,030 --> 02:14:46,870
hi this is bryce abel i'm the producer

3560
02:14:50,790 --> 02:14:49,040
of dark skies the co-author of ad after

3561
02:14:54,149 --> 02:14:50,800
disclosure and you are listening to the

3562
02:14:59,270 --> 02:14:54,159
paracast the gold standard of paranormal

3563
02:15:04,149 --> 02:15:00,310
oh

3564
02:15:05,990 --> 02:15:04,159
the ghost whisperer yeah i like that

3565
02:15:07,510 --> 02:15:06,000
yes we have sue

3566
02:15:09,189 --> 02:15:07,520
how about you

3567
02:15:12,069 --> 02:15:09,199
and we have david

3568
02:15:13,189 --> 02:15:12,079
and we have randall and gene and chris

3569
02:15:15,910 --> 02:15:13,199
well

3570
02:15:17,750 --> 02:15:15,920
you know let's talk about this i think

3571
02:15:20,550 --> 02:15:17,760
someone should write a book

3572
02:15:23,910 --> 02:15:20,560
that lists all the cases that are bona

3573
02:15:27,030 --> 02:15:23,920
fide that have documentation and have

3574
02:15:28,790 --> 02:15:27,040
unequivocal evidence that we have cases

3575
02:15:30,709 --> 02:15:28,800
that have been solved by psychics i've

3576
02:15:33,910 --> 02:15:30,719
never seen a book like that that could

3577
02:15:35,750 --> 02:15:33,920
be a bestseller well chris not any

3578
02:15:37,510 --> 02:15:35,760
documented cases here but there's

3579
02:15:39,109 --> 02:15:37,520
certainly um

3580
02:15:40,310 --> 02:15:39,119
people who've had a lot of dreams prior

3581
02:15:42,149 --> 02:15:40,320
to the major earthquakes that we're here

3582
02:15:43,910 --> 02:15:42,159
we're having pre-cognition dreams before

3583
02:15:46,229 --> 02:15:43,920
the earthquakes to uh you know dreams

3584
02:15:48,709 --> 02:15:46,239
about the the city being in ruin or um

3585
02:15:50,310 --> 02:15:48,719
you know panic and fear et cetera and

3586
02:15:52,470 --> 02:15:50,320
and to come out afterwards saying you

3587
02:15:54,629 --> 02:15:52,480
know well i had these dreams and well

3588
02:15:56,870 --> 02:15:54,639
the earthquakes happened so is there a

3589
02:15:58,069 --> 02:15:56,880
basis for it i think there possibly is i

3590
02:16:00,790 --> 02:15:58,079
haven't lived through that sort of thing

3591
02:16:03,030 --> 02:16:00,800
myself it's kind of a little interesting

3592
02:16:05,350 --> 02:16:03,040
i have to admit i'm a sucker for the tv

3593
02:16:06,310 --> 02:16:05,360
show is about the psychic investigators

3594
02:16:10,790 --> 02:16:06,320
and

3595
02:16:13,830 --> 02:16:10,800
when i see it on tv i would love to read

3596
02:16:15,750 --> 02:16:13,840
a book about that um that was maybe a

3597
02:16:18,950 --> 02:16:15,760
little more in-depth and well-researched

3598
02:16:20,390 --> 02:16:18,960
than a tv show it's a great topic yeah

3599
02:16:23,669 --> 02:16:20,400
have you ever seen the dead files with

3600
02:16:25,830 --> 02:16:23,679
amy allen i love the dead files amy's a

3601
02:16:28,870 --> 02:16:25,840
really good friend our parents live

3602
02:16:32,230 --> 02:16:28,880
about seven eight miles from me

3603
02:16:33,669 --> 02:16:32,240
i have worked on a number at least a

3604
02:16:35,910 --> 02:16:33,679
half a dozen

3605
02:16:38,950 --> 02:16:35,920
ghost side investigations with her

3606
02:16:40,230 --> 02:16:38,960
i was in charge of maintaining

3607
02:16:42,549 --> 02:16:40,240
her

3608
02:16:44,309 --> 02:16:42,559
total you know lack of knowledge about

3609
02:16:46,549 --> 02:16:44,319
where we were going

3610
02:16:49,270 --> 02:16:46,559
you know what had happened in the place

3611
02:16:50,870 --> 02:16:49,280
uh prior to us arriving there

3612
02:16:52,629 --> 02:16:50,880
and i'll tell you

3613
02:16:54,389 --> 02:16:52,639
she is the real deal

3614
02:16:56,790 --> 02:16:54,399
um she came up with stuff that it was

3615
02:16:58,629 --> 02:16:56,800
impossible for her to know

3616
02:17:00,629 --> 02:16:58,639
ahead of time and she

3617
02:17:03,589 --> 02:17:00,639
she was picking up on stuff right and

3618
02:17:06,070 --> 02:17:03,599
left in at least three out of the six uh

3619
02:17:08,389 --> 02:17:06,080
facilities um i think for actually four

3620
02:17:09,750 --> 02:17:08,399
out of the six if i remember correctly

3621
02:17:10,950 --> 02:17:09,760
uh i mean

3622
02:17:12,950 --> 02:17:10,960
just

3623
02:17:15,429 --> 02:17:12,960
amazing stuff uh

3624
02:17:18,709 --> 02:17:15,439
things like she'd stop you know we had

3625
02:17:20,469 --> 02:17:18,719
several uh recording sources going on at

3626
02:17:21,669 --> 02:17:20,479
one time and she'd stop and say do you

3627
02:17:23,110 --> 02:17:21,679
hear that

3628
02:17:24,469 --> 02:17:23,120
and we'd all kind of look at each other

3629
02:17:27,270 --> 02:17:24,479
and go no we don't hear anything she

3630
02:17:29,910 --> 02:17:27,280
goes i hear children singing and when we

3631
02:17:31,429 --> 02:17:29,920
rewind the tapes in the studio and go

3632
02:17:33,270 --> 02:17:31,439
through you know everything synced up

3633
02:17:35,830 --> 02:17:33,280
when we go through just before she said

3634
02:17:38,469 --> 02:17:35,840
that we got this incredible evp of two

3635
02:17:41,349 --> 02:17:38,479
children laughing and and giggling and

3636
02:17:42,549 --> 02:17:41,359
having a fun time with kind of some echo

3637
02:17:44,469 --> 02:17:42,559
like they were

3638
02:17:45,990 --> 02:17:44,479
in the next hallway or something and

3639
02:17:47,589 --> 02:17:46,000
then she asked the question do you hear

3640
02:17:48,950 --> 02:17:47,599
that and we say what she goes children

3641
02:17:49,910 --> 02:17:48,960
laughing

3642
02:17:51,349 --> 02:17:49,920
so i

3643
02:17:53,750 --> 02:17:51,359
you know i don't want this to sound like

3644
02:17:56,150 --> 02:17:53,760
a commercial for amy allen but it is

3645
02:17:58,150 --> 02:17:56,160
acknowledgment from uh i would consider

3646
02:17:59,589 --> 02:17:58,160
myself a seasoned field investigator you

3647
02:18:01,669 --> 02:17:59,599
know to be open-minded to the

3648
02:18:05,750 --> 02:18:01,679
possibility that that there are humans

3649
02:18:06,709 --> 02:18:05,760
with with uh extra sensory abilities and

3650
02:18:08,549 --> 02:18:06,719
and

3651
02:18:11,030 --> 02:18:08,559
amy allen is definitely in my book one

3652
02:18:13,030 --> 02:18:11,040
of them chris what here's what's going

3653
02:18:14,629 --> 02:18:13,040
to have to happen you have to bring her

3654
02:18:17,190 --> 02:18:14,639
on the power cast

3655
02:18:20,150 --> 02:18:17,200
well we'll see i've tried she doesn't do

3656
02:18:22,230 --> 02:18:20,160
radio ah you know i also like to talk to

3657
02:18:23,349 --> 02:18:22,240
you just for the heck of it allison

3658
02:18:26,230 --> 02:18:23,359
dubois

3659
02:18:28,309 --> 02:18:26,240
and she is the woman the psychic

3660
02:18:29,589 --> 02:18:28,319
about whom the tv series medium was

3661
02:18:31,750 --> 02:18:29,599
based

3662
02:18:33,750 --> 02:18:31,760
and she's out of phoenix so you know it

3663
02:18:35,110 --> 02:18:33,760
might be fun

3664
02:18:38,469 --> 02:18:35,120
so geno

3665
02:18:40,389 --> 02:18:38,479
i'll follow through i'll follow through

3666
02:18:42,709 --> 02:18:40,399
let's move beyond mediums

3667
02:18:44,549 --> 02:18:42,719
or take a medium approach more questions

3668
02:18:45,830 --> 02:18:44,559
well wait a minute uh

3669
02:18:48,309 --> 02:18:45,840
you know we need to hear from people

3670
02:18:50,309 --> 02:18:48,319
what do you think uh anyone

3671
02:18:52,629 --> 02:18:50,319
are they frauds uh are there some that

3672
02:18:54,950 --> 02:18:52,639
are genuine and how do we know no i

3673
02:18:56,469 --> 02:18:54,960
think some are probably genuine um but

3674
02:18:58,389 --> 02:18:56,479
well i like anything in the paranormal

3675
02:19:00,629 --> 02:18:58,399
field the weary point you can maybe um

3676
02:19:02,150 --> 02:19:00,639
fleece somebody for money there's always

3677
02:19:04,709 --> 02:19:02,160
going to be charlatans the problem is

3678
02:19:06,389 --> 02:19:04,719
weeding out which one's a witch but i i

3679
02:19:08,790 --> 02:19:06,399
suspect there are people with very very

3680
02:19:11,509 --> 02:19:08,800
heightened senses of awareness no it

3681
02:19:13,990 --> 02:19:11,519
animal instinct how does a um a cat or a

3682
02:19:15,190 --> 02:19:14,000
dog know that a an earthquake or

3683
02:19:16,629 --> 02:19:15,200
something like that's going to happen

3684
02:19:17,990 --> 02:19:16,639
several minutes before it happens

3685
02:19:19,509 --> 02:19:18,000
they're more in tune with the world

3686
02:19:20,629 --> 02:19:19,519
around them maybe these people are just

3687
02:19:23,030 --> 02:19:20,639
a little bit more in tune with the

3688
02:19:25,589 --> 02:19:23,040
nature around them who knows i don't

3689
02:19:27,750 --> 02:19:25,599
have a problem accepting the notion that

3690
02:19:30,150 --> 02:19:27,760
someone like amy allen can do what she

3691
02:19:31,429 --> 02:19:30,160
does um there's another person there was

3692
02:19:34,469 --> 02:19:31,439
someone in new york who wrote a book

3693
02:19:36,230 --> 02:19:34,479
called a small medium at large about she

3694
02:19:38,629 --> 02:19:36,240
had a lot of abilities what's always

3695
02:19:40,230 --> 02:19:38,639
struck me about people like that is how

3696
02:19:42,870 --> 02:19:40,240
do they learn how to deal with those

3697
02:19:43,910 --> 02:19:42,880
abilities like when they're growing up

3698
02:19:45,910 --> 02:19:43,920
because

3699
02:19:47,589 --> 02:19:45,920
that's the mystery to me is if you have

3700
02:19:49,750 --> 02:19:47,599
those abilities how do you know what it

3701
02:19:53,110 --> 02:19:49,760
is you're actually sensing and seeing

3702
02:19:55,190 --> 02:19:53,120
and feeling and integrate that into real

3703
02:19:57,830 --> 02:19:55,200
world knowledge i think that's really

3704
02:20:00,150 --> 02:19:57,840
interesting yeah well i of course i

3705
02:20:02,790 --> 02:20:00,160
asked amy that uh and had long

3706
02:20:04,950 --> 02:20:02,800
conversations with her about how she's

3707
02:20:07,429 --> 02:20:04,960
able to deal with these abilities and

3708
02:20:08,710 --> 02:20:07,439
she said that it took a long time but

3709
02:20:11,670 --> 02:20:08,720
when she was growing up she thought

3710
02:20:13,030 --> 02:20:11,680
everybody was able to do this and then

3711
02:20:15,270 --> 02:20:13,040
it got to the point where she was eight

3712
02:20:17,990 --> 02:20:15,280
or nine or ten where she realized that

3713
02:20:20,469 --> 02:20:18,000
that this was something that was unusual

3714
02:20:23,349 --> 02:20:20,479
and that not everybody could could

3715
02:20:24,469 --> 02:20:23,359
perceive and interact with dead people

3716
02:20:25,990 --> 02:20:24,479
essentially

3717
02:20:27,750 --> 02:20:26,000
and so she

3718
02:20:31,190 --> 02:20:27,760
slowly was able to

3719
02:20:35,590 --> 02:20:31,200
in her estimation uh develop

3720
02:20:37,990 --> 02:20:35,600
a series of filters and an on off switch

3721
02:20:39,590 --> 02:20:38,000
it's it's always disconcerting to work

3722
02:20:41,990 --> 02:20:39,600
with psychics who

3723
02:20:44,469 --> 02:20:42,000
have demonstrated their abilities and to

3724
02:20:48,230 --> 02:20:44,479
feel comfortable around them

3725
02:20:49,590 --> 02:20:48,240
you know and i had one person who uh is

3726
02:20:51,990 --> 02:20:49,600
i've worked with for quite a number of

3727
02:20:54,630 --> 02:20:52,000
years uh off and on and

3728
02:20:56,710 --> 02:20:54,640
and they said uh you know stop squirming

3729
02:20:57,590 --> 02:20:56,720
uh don't you understand that the things

3730
02:20:59,429 --> 02:20:57,600
that you

3731
02:21:01,660 --> 02:20:59,439
most don't want me to know are the

3732
02:21:04,389 --> 02:21:01,670
things easiest uh for me to pick up

3733
02:21:06,309 --> 02:21:04,399
[Laughter]

3734
02:21:08,230 --> 02:21:06,319
and uh that was rather disconcerting of

3735
02:21:10,070 --> 02:21:08,240
course they quickly said hey you're okay

3736
02:21:12,790 --> 02:21:10,080
i'm you know i'm okay with you let's you

3737
02:21:15,429 --> 02:21:12,800
know let's kind of get beyond this

3738
02:21:17,349 --> 02:21:15,439
and uh so you know i'm not somebody that

3739
02:21:19,270 --> 02:21:17,359
uh

3740
02:21:21,110 --> 02:21:19,280
how would i put this um you know i'm i

3741
02:21:22,790 --> 02:21:21,120
am very skeptical

3742
02:21:25,349 --> 02:21:22,800
about everything i don't believe

3743
02:21:26,950 --> 02:21:25,359
anything and i allow the experience and

3744
02:21:30,550 --> 02:21:26,960
the data to lead me in the direction

3745
02:21:32,710 --> 02:21:30,560
that uh i've i find most compelling and

3746
02:21:33,590 --> 02:21:32,720
uh potentially fruitful in terms of you

3747
02:21:36,870 --> 02:21:33,600
know

3748
02:21:38,469 --> 02:21:36,880
but um

3749
02:21:39,990 --> 02:21:38,479
i'm going to get back to questions here

3750
02:21:41,590 --> 02:21:40,000
because we do have one final question

3751
02:21:43,429 --> 02:21:41,600
that i think is uh

3752
02:21:46,309 --> 02:21:43,439
is an interesting one and does open up a

3753
02:21:47,590 --> 02:21:46,319
huge uh ball of wax as they say

3754
02:21:49,349 --> 02:21:47,600
um

3755
02:21:50,469 --> 02:21:49,359
okay

3756
02:21:53,590 --> 02:21:50,479
let's see

3757
02:21:55,110 --> 02:21:53,600
i'm gonna have to find it again here

3758
02:21:57,349 --> 02:21:55,120
well maybe i could chime in in the

3759
02:22:00,389 --> 02:21:57,359
meantime with a closing comment there

3760
02:22:02,469 --> 02:22:00,399
okay that would be good yeah i think

3761
02:22:04,630 --> 02:22:02,479
that strange experiences do happen with

3762
02:22:07,110 --> 02:22:04,640
people but we always have to be careful

3763
02:22:10,630 --> 02:22:07,120
about how we explain them i don't think

3764
02:22:13,190 --> 02:22:10,640
anyone is in contact with dead people

3765
02:22:14,950 --> 02:22:13,200
okay yeah well that's

3766
02:22:17,030 --> 02:22:14,960
yeah i guess it's all uh based on

3767
02:22:19,349 --> 02:22:17,040
terminology and languaging

3768
02:22:21,349 --> 02:22:19,359
now the thing here also i wonder

3769
02:22:22,710 --> 02:22:21,359
is how we might

3770
02:22:25,750 --> 02:22:22,720
relate

3771
02:22:27,270 --> 02:22:25,760
ufo experiences to power normal such as

3772
02:22:29,750 --> 02:22:27,280
the comment from

3773
02:22:32,630 --> 02:22:29,760
one of our favorite forum members and

3774
02:22:35,030 --> 02:22:32,640
bloggers red pill junkie miguel

3775
02:22:37,510 --> 02:22:35,040
that there was a connection between

3776
02:22:39,030 --> 02:22:37,520
near-death experiences and ufo

3777
02:22:40,630 --> 02:22:39,040
abductions

3778
02:22:43,030 --> 02:22:40,640
which is a fascinating line of

3779
02:22:45,590 --> 02:22:43,040
speculation

3780
02:22:47,110 --> 02:22:45,600
well absolutely in my opinion i think

3781
02:22:49,590 --> 02:22:47,120
that

3782
02:22:51,429 --> 02:22:49,600
an alien presence on earth can explain a

3783
02:22:52,710 --> 02:22:51,439
lot of this stuff

3784
02:22:55,349 --> 02:22:52,720
rather than

3785
02:22:57,030 --> 02:22:55,359
resorting to paranormal explanations

3786
02:22:59,349 --> 02:22:57,040
that involve the supernatural and things

3787
02:23:01,670 --> 02:22:59,359
that are scientifically

3788
02:23:03,590 --> 02:23:01,680
basically impossible

3789
02:23:05,510 --> 02:23:03,600
well i don't know whether anything is

3790
02:23:08,469 --> 02:23:05,520
impossible maybe we just have to know

3791
02:23:09,910 --> 02:23:08,479
more about the science involved

3792
02:23:12,230 --> 02:23:09,920
well i think there's certain things that

3793
02:23:13,830 --> 02:23:12,240
are logically impossible

3794
02:23:15,750 --> 02:23:13,840
based on our present science that's

3795
02:23:17,030 --> 02:23:15,760
probably true like like speaking to dead

3796
02:23:18,270 --> 02:23:17,040
people

3797
02:23:19,590 --> 02:23:18,280
well that

3798
02:23:21,270 --> 02:23:19,600
[Music]

3799
02:23:23,429 --> 02:23:21,280
if they're not dead people who were they

3800
02:23:24,950 --> 02:23:23,439
talking to they're making it up

3801
02:23:27,349 --> 02:23:24,960
well i just gave you an example of

3802
02:23:29,270 --> 02:23:27,359
somebody that talked about uh two little

3803
02:23:31,270 --> 02:23:29,280
kids that 100 years ago used to play in

3804
02:23:32,950 --> 02:23:31,280
the jail at uh you know at the navajo

3805
02:23:34,630 --> 02:23:32,960
county uh courthouse

3806
02:23:37,110 --> 02:23:34,640
and they were famous for running around

3807
02:23:39,190 --> 02:23:37,120
and screaming and yelling and amy had no

3808
02:23:41,510 --> 02:23:39,200
idea where she even was

3809
02:23:44,230 --> 02:23:41,520
and she was able to pick up in the same

3810
02:23:46,710 --> 02:23:44,240
exact place where the kids used to play

3811
02:23:48,389 --> 02:23:46,720
uh the sounds of kids uh you know

3812
02:23:49,990 --> 02:23:48,399
screaming and laughing and having fun

3813
02:23:52,070 --> 02:23:50,000
and giggling uh

3814
02:23:53,990 --> 02:23:52,080
maybe that's happening chris

3815
02:23:55,190 --> 02:23:54,000
on earth too

3816
02:23:57,510 --> 02:23:55,200
you ever think that maybe they're

3817
02:24:00,309 --> 02:23:57,520
tapping into another reality

3818
02:24:02,309 --> 02:24:00,319
not seeing events here not contacting

3819
02:24:04,389 --> 02:24:02,319
dead people but seeing

3820
02:24:06,710 --> 02:24:04,399
a parallel universe of course we have to

3821
02:24:08,870 --> 02:24:06,720
posit a parallel universe but maybe that

3822
02:24:11,270 --> 02:24:08,880
brings it more into a scientific realm

3823
02:24:12,630 --> 02:24:11,280
or not we have one more segment left to

3824
02:24:15,030 --> 02:24:12,640
do with our

3825
02:24:18,230 --> 02:24:15,040
listener round table with sue

3826
02:24:23,840 --> 02:24:18,240
and david in ufology you're in the

3827
02:24:31,750 --> 02:24:28,230
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3828
02:24:32,590 --> 02:24:31,760
you are listening to gcn

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visit

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3948
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can't even predict right now chris we

3949
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had one more very important question you

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wanted to bring up well i'm not sure how

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important it is but it sure opens up a

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whole ball of wax this one comes from

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boomerang who's been a long time poster

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since 2011 at forum.theparacast.com

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he's approaching the uh he just passed

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the 2300 mark in posts you too listeners

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boomerang and i'll just kind of throw

3963
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this out there this kind of makes some

3964
02:30:00,150 --> 02:29:58,000
assumptions he says if we assume

3965
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certain people in world governments have

3966
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cast a veil of secrecy over the subject

3967
02:30:06,870 --> 02:30:04,640
of the ufo do you think the architects

3968
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of this secrecy are ultimately human or

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otherwise

3970
02:30:11,030 --> 02:30:09,840
well of course

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they're human

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[Music]

3973
02:30:23,030 --> 02:30:20,479
i'm going with reptilians

3974
02:30:25,110 --> 02:30:23,040
reptilians okay that's a slithering

3975
02:30:28,389 --> 02:30:25,120
comment yeah

3976
02:30:31,670 --> 02:30:28,399
david don't she's scaling her response

3977
02:30:34,070 --> 02:30:31,680
let's not take this to the nth degree

3978
02:30:36,389 --> 02:30:34,080
hmm no it's definitely donald trump he's

3979
02:30:40,469 --> 02:30:36,399
an alien he has to be an alien reptoid

3980
02:30:43,910 --> 02:30:42,870
uh i'm sorry um well come on let's get

3981
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serious here do you think the

3982
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governments are actually involved in

3983
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in keeping a lid on this subject uh and

3984
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do you think it's them or are they being

3985
02:30:56,710 --> 02:30:54,880
told to by something else no i'll i'll

3986
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take this for a start here i actually

3987
02:31:00,630 --> 02:30:58,560
think that maybe they do know that there

3988
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is some uh phenomenon going on and maybe

3989
02:31:03,510 --> 02:31:02,399
they do have some evidence

3990
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in a lot of ways i think we give

3991
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governments too much credit for actually

3992
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being organized enough to be able to

3993
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keep something like this actually

3994
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properly secret i'm sure you can keep

3995
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top secret aircraft development stuff

3996
02:31:16,070 --> 02:31:13,680
secret i'm sure that that's possible to

3997
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do but something this big i don't think

3998
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so speaking from experience my own

3999
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government my own government is not

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competent enough to keep something like

4001
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this secret

4002
02:31:25,510 --> 02:31:23,439
wait a minute there's a government

4003
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there in new zealand no more like sort

4004
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of head prefix really you know

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school hall monitors is probably what we

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want to actually want to call our

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government but anyway

4008
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no chris

4009
02:31:39,349 --> 02:31:37,280
from from my point of view here

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i don't think the mage world governments

4011
02:31:43,990 --> 02:31:41,600
actually have any control of any of this

4012
02:31:45,510 --> 02:31:44,000
they may have some contact i do not know

4013
02:31:47,590 --> 02:31:45,520
i don't think so

4014
02:31:49,830 --> 02:31:47,600
but what interests me is the possibility

4015
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of breakaway civilizations now we've all

4016
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talked about this before and it's been

4017
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plenty of it all over the um

4018
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all over the forum but that's got my

4019
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interest when i first came across it is

4020
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it possible i don't know ufology you

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02:32:03,030 --> 02:32:00,960
sort of um popped up there for a second

4022
02:32:05,429 --> 02:32:03,040
there what do you think mate well but

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actually my initial comment was uh

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fairly serious i do think that there are

4025
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agencies within the government not

4026
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necessarily in the in the top political

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wings but in the defense and military

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sector that obviously must know a whole

4029
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lot more than we do

4030
02:32:25,270 --> 02:32:21,600
and the aliens themselves are obviously

4031
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evasive and elusive so between the two

4032
02:32:29,510 --> 02:32:27,359
we're having a hard time out here in the

4033
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public getting the kind of evidence that

4034
02:32:33,030 --> 02:32:30,800
we want

4035
02:32:35,429 --> 02:32:33,040
uh breakaway civilizations

4036
02:32:37,190 --> 02:32:35,439
in modern society if you look into the

4037
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industrial complex and the military

4038
02:32:41,030 --> 02:32:39,280
industrial complex perhaps a

4039
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civilization hidden within a

4040
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civilization in modern times could

4041
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produce some of these craft

4042
02:32:49,910 --> 02:32:48,000
but certainly not the large array that

4043
02:32:52,070 --> 02:32:49,920
we've seen throughout history

4044
02:32:55,110 --> 02:32:52,080
something else is going on besides our

4045
02:32:57,510 --> 02:32:55,120
own breakaway civilization definitely

4046
02:32:59,349 --> 02:32:57,520
yeah i know i agree with you in that i i

4047
02:33:01,110 --> 02:32:59,359
do think there is some sort of nuts and

4048
02:33:02,309 --> 02:33:01,120
bolts alien visitation i mean maybe

4049
02:33:03,830 --> 02:33:02,319
maybe i'm just old school where that's

4050
02:33:05,990 --> 02:33:03,840
concerned but

4051
02:33:07,270 --> 02:33:06,000
it just seems to make logical sense i

4052
02:33:09,429 --> 02:33:07,280
mean there's hundreds of billions of

4053
02:33:11,590 --> 02:33:09,439
stars hundreds of billions of galaxies

4054
02:33:12,950 --> 02:33:11,600
come on play the numbers game there has

4055
02:33:14,469 --> 02:33:12,960
to be something out there that's far

4056
02:33:15,910 --> 02:33:14,479
more advanced than we are it's just

4057
02:33:17,429 --> 02:33:15,920
human hubrist to think that we're the

4058
02:33:19,830 --> 02:33:17,439
most advanced thing or the only thing

4059
02:33:21,270 --> 02:33:19,840
out there but it's also human hubris to

4060
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think we're important enough for them to

4061
02:33:26,710 --> 02:33:23,680
come here to this violent misogynist

4062
02:33:29,110 --> 02:33:26,720
primitive unevolved place exactly chris

4063
02:33:32,070 --> 02:33:29,120
exactly i couldn't agree more

4064
02:33:34,070 --> 02:33:32,080
and not want to destroy this place hmm i

4065
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i actually honestly no no just just

4066
02:33:38,070 --> 02:33:36,240
treat the virus get rid of the virus and

4067
02:33:40,150 --> 02:33:38,080
then you revel in the wonderful

4068
02:33:41,670 --> 02:33:40,160
biodiversity that this uh wonderful

4069
02:33:44,389 --> 02:33:41,680
ecosystem uh

4070
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has before we destroy it all well us and

4071
02:33:51,190 --> 02:33:48,319
our cattle in in new zealand sheep but

4072
02:33:53,590 --> 02:33:51,200
isn't that what they say in all these

4073
02:33:55,429 --> 02:33:53,600
alien invasion movies let's get rid of

4074
02:33:57,590 --> 02:33:55,439
the human virus

4075
02:34:00,070 --> 02:33:57,600
actually gene and sorry to upset the

4076
02:34:01,990 --> 02:34:00,080
space brothers followers out there i

4077
02:34:03,830 --> 02:34:02,000
think we ended up with the missiles

4078
02:34:06,070 --> 02:34:03,840
flying in the next 10 minutes nuclear

4079
02:34:08,150 --> 02:34:06,080
arm again i think the aliens would sit

4080
02:34:09,590 --> 02:34:08,160
and watch just see what actually

4081
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happened if we're something they're

4082
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observing from a scientific point of

4083
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view they wouldn't defer and why would

4084
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they

4085
02:34:18,550 --> 02:34:16,720
yeah exactly that just watch i i think

4086
02:34:22,070 --> 02:34:18,560
the alien bookies would be collecting

4087
02:34:23,670 --> 02:34:22,080
non-bets is what i think yeah

4088
02:34:26,630 --> 02:34:23,680
well i thought they were after the earth

4089
02:34:28,950 --> 02:34:26,640
woman i'm kind of disappointed now

4090
02:34:33,670 --> 02:34:28,960
wasn't there a movie out some years ago

4091
02:34:37,030 --> 02:34:35,510
we're losing a species a day here on

4092
02:34:38,070 --> 02:34:37,040
this planet that's

4093
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the

4094
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are like a virus this is true well agent

4095
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smith said it best in the matrix you're

4096
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like a virus

4097
02:34:59,429 --> 02:34:57,429
there is such a thing yeah but humans

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are also the most amazing creatures on

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the planet when you really think about

4100
02:35:05,110 --> 02:35:02,720
it we're the most intelligent we're the

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02:35:07,429 --> 02:35:05,120
most inventive we are actually the only

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species that's actually ventured off of

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02:35:11,590 --> 02:35:08,720
the surface of the planet and are

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02:35:13,590 --> 02:35:11,600
exploring out into our solar system and

4105
02:35:15,590 --> 02:35:13,600
earth itself is an amazing planet

4106
02:35:19,270 --> 02:35:15,600
there's no reason for them not to come

4107
02:35:21,590 --> 02:35:19,280
here i think earth is probably rare

4108
02:35:23,429 --> 02:35:21,600
earth like planets are probably rare and

4109
02:35:25,670 --> 02:35:23,439
although there is a lot of stars in the

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universe you know the skeptics would ask

4111
02:35:29,510 --> 02:35:28,080
well it's getting here from there that's

4112
02:35:32,550 --> 02:35:29,520
the big problem

4113
02:35:34,309 --> 02:35:32,560
well even that starting that particular

4114
02:35:37,990 --> 02:35:34,319
reality view is starting to break down

4115
02:35:39,190 --> 02:35:38,000
with the progress of quantum physics and

4116
02:35:40,389 --> 02:35:39,200
things that we're starting to learn at

4117
02:35:41,510 --> 02:35:40,399
cern and

4118
02:35:43,429 --> 02:35:41,520
you know talk about breakaway

4119
02:35:44,550 --> 02:35:43,439
civilizations kind of going back to that

4120
02:35:45,510 --> 02:35:44,560
that theme

4121
02:35:48,150 --> 02:35:45,520
um

4122
02:35:49,750 --> 02:35:48,160
you know the uh the latest us bomber

4123
02:35:53,110 --> 02:35:49,760
which looks like

4124
02:35:55,110 --> 02:35:53,120
the b2 to me uh it's called the b21

4125
02:35:56,309 --> 02:35:55,120
and it's back to the old uh you know

4126
02:35:57,750 --> 02:35:56,319
batman

4127
02:35:58,790 --> 02:35:57,760
batwing shaped

4128
02:36:00,950 --> 02:35:58,800
vehicle

4129
02:36:03,910 --> 02:36:00,960
when are they going to release the uh

4130
02:36:06,630 --> 02:36:03,920
the real exotic high-tech reality

4131
02:36:08,389 --> 02:36:06,640
behind andy mag

4132
02:36:09,990 --> 02:36:08,399
work that's been going on for decades

4133
02:36:12,150 --> 02:36:10,000
and and some of the real exotic

4134
02:36:14,870 --> 02:36:12,160
technologies that's that's when i will

4135
02:36:17,990 --> 02:36:14,880
sit up and take notice

4136
02:36:19,429 --> 02:36:18,000
you don't um put out your prize um cards

4137
02:36:21,429 --> 02:36:19,439
when you're playing poker until you

4138
02:36:23,349 --> 02:36:21,439
absolutely have to chris so no they'll

4139
02:36:25,510 --> 02:36:23,359
sit on it

4140
02:36:27,590 --> 02:36:25,520
we have maybe 40 seconds left sue you

4141
02:36:30,150 --> 02:36:27,600
want to make a comment

4142
02:36:33,190 --> 02:36:30,160
proud to be the first woman listener

4143
02:36:35,510 --> 02:36:33,200
roundtable person on the paracast

4144
02:36:38,230 --> 02:36:35,520
did you feel all you know kind of

4145
02:36:40,550 --> 02:36:38,240
welcomed and embraced i did feel i did

4146
02:36:42,230 --> 02:36:40,560
feel welcomed yes okay well well that's

4147
02:36:44,710 --> 02:36:42,240
good because we need to get raven's fee

4148
02:36:47,030 --> 02:36:44,720
on here and you know constance needs to

4149
02:36:49,270 --> 02:36:47,040
get on here we you know we've we've got

4150
02:36:51,030 --> 02:36:49,280
room and we want in

4151
02:36:53,510 --> 02:36:51,040
well i don't want to beg but you know

4152
02:36:54,389 --> 02:36:53,520
come on girls thanks bring bring your

4153
02:36:56,950 --> 02:36:54,399
egg in

4154
02:36:59,030 --> 02:36:56,960
any final comments to make randall let's

4155
02:37:00,950 --> 02:36:59,040
have an all-girl round table panel one

4156
02:37:03,270 --> 02:37:00,960
time i think that'd be great

4157
02:37:04,790 --> 02:37:03,280
well that possibly will be coming in any

4158
02:37:08,070 --> 02:37:04,800
case this has been

4159
02:37:10,150 --> 02:37:08,080
our first listener roundtable for 2016.

4160
02:37:12,070 --> 02:37:10,160
unlike a lot of radio shows out there

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02:37:13,429 --> 02:37:12,080
the power cast

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02:37:14,630 --> 02:37:13,439
celebrates

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02:37:17,429 --> 02:37:14,640
having

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02:37:21,429 --> 02:37:19,840
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forms

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02:37:25,030 --> 02:37:23,600
of any paranormal radio show

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02:37:26,469 --> 02:37:25,040
on the planet

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02:37:28,790 --> 02:37:26,479
let me tell you more about what we've

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got going you can find us on twitter if

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you look for the powercast look for the

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4173
02:37:35,830 --> 02:37:34,640
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02:37:40,870 --> 02:37:38,560
and one's a group one's a community and

4176
02:37:42,870 --> 02:37:40,880
that makes no sense to me but somehow if

4177
02:37:45,429 --> 02:37:42,880
you're into facebook you'll figure that

4178
02:37:46,389 --> 02:37:45,439
out we have a second radio show

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4184
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02:38:01,830 --> 02:37:59,680
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4190
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thank you sue

4201
02:38:39,270 --> 02:38:34,000
thank you

4202
02:38:40,790 --> 02:38:39,280
this week on the power cast

4203
02:38:42,309 --> 02:38:40,800
thanks for having me

4204
02:38:44,710 --> 02:38:42,319
thanks a lot gene and chris always

4205
02:38:46,230 --> 02:38:44,720
appreciate it thanks a lot jen and chris

4206
02:38:55,670 --> 02:38:46,240
fantastic and thanks for the chance of

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